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  • ID: I0188
  • Name: Charles Edwin PAMMENT , Sr
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1829 in London, Middlesex, England 1
  • Death: BET JUL AND SEP 1893 in Bury St. Edmunds registration district, England 2
  • Burial: 12 AUG 1893 Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk, England
  • Occupation: 1847 grocer 3
  • Event: Occupation (2) 1871 groom and gardener/Cherry Hinton, Cambs. England 4
  • Event: Occupation (3) 1891 retired railway worker/Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk, England 5
  • Baptism: 2 JUN 1830 Isleham, Cambridgeshire, England 6
  • Note:
    Baptismal entry reads PAMMANT (Pamment)Charles EDMUND of Susan. I believe he was baptized after her death (APR 1830), raising the possibility that she died in childbirth. I also believe that Charles Edmund is the same child living at the Vicarage House (being brought up by church?) in 1841 census for Isleham.

    1841 census for Isleham, address Vicarage House, age 15. Note: Some ages for 1841 census were rounded off.

    10 Oct 1847 Isleham Banns; Pamment Charles Edwin bac and Sarah Carter, widow of Denston, Suffolk.

    Please note that although parish register said "Edmund" in baptismal entry, the banns and the marriage certificate both say "Edwin."

    Copy of marriage certificate from parish of Denston in Suffolk: Oct. 14, 1847.
    Charles Edwin Pamment, full age, bachelor, grocer, living in Isleham, (FATHER'S NAME LISTED AS NOT KNOWN) married Sarah Carter, full age, widow, grocer, living in Denston, father John Pattle. Married in church. NOTE: From subsequent census reports, it does not appear that either one were of FULL age at marriage.

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    1851 CENSUS:

    Name: Charles E. Pamment
    Address: Dearleys Farm
    Enumeration district: Denardiston
    County: Suffolk
    Birth Place: Middlesex, England, London
    Age: 26
    Gender: Male
    Relationship: Head
    Marriage Status: Married
    Occupation: Broker & Grocer
    Household:

    Name Residence Birth Place Gender Age

    Charles E. PammentDenardiston, Suffolk Middlesex London Male 26
    Sarah Pamment Denardiston, Suffolk Suffolk Wickhambrook Female 35
    Stephen Carter Denardiston, Suffolk Suffolk, Denardiston Male 9
    Charles E. Pamment Denardiston, SuffolkSuffolk, Denardiston Ma
    Arthur Pamment Denardiston, Suffolk Suffolk Denardiston Male 0.05
    Cathrine Hurrell Denardiston, Suffolk Suffolk, Wickhambrook Female 20


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    1861 CENSUS:

    Name Est Birth Year Birthplace RelationshipOccupation

    Charles E Pamment 1826 London, MiddlesexHead/WidrShop Keeper
    Charles E Pamment 1849 Denston, SuffolkSon
    Stephen Carter 1842 Denston, SuffolkSonWatchmaker
    Authur P Pamment 1851 Denston, SuffolkSon
    Anna E Pamment 1857 Denston, SuffolkDaughter
    Sarah A Pymar 1841 Wickhambrook, SuffolkNieceHousekeeper

    Civil parish: Denston
    County/Island: Suffolk
    Country: England

    Street address: Wickham St

    Source information: RG9/1125
    Registration district: Risbridge
    Sub-registration district: Wickhambrook
    ED, institution, or vessel: 11
    Folio: 130
    Page: 13
    Household schedule number: 68
    GSU Number: 542758


    NOTE: This is the first of several instances of his birthplace listed as London. One can only speculate that perhaps his mother Susan was sent to London to have the baby although no connection to family in London has yet been discovered.
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    1871 census for Cherry Hinton, Cambs. has the following family living on High Street:
    Charles E. Pamment42 groom&gardener born London, Middlesex
    Sarah A.41born Wickhambrook, Suffolk
    Charles E. (Jr.)23 engine fitterborn Denston, Suffolk
    Arthur20 gardenerborn Denston, Suffolk
    Henry (??) 6born Burwell, Cambs.
    Frederick 4born Cherry Hinton, Cambs.


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    1881 census:
    Dwelling:13 Bishops Rd
    Census Place:Bury St Edmunds St James, Suffolk, England
    Source:FHL Film 1341446 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1844 Folio 10 Page 14
    MarrAgeSexBirthplace
    Charles PAMMENTM50 MLondon, Middlesex, England
    Rel:Head
    Occ:Raily & Engine Cleaner
    Ann PAMMENTM40 FWickhambrook, Suffolk, England
    Rel:Wife
    Harry PAMMENTU18 MBurwell, Cambridge, England
    Rel:Son
    Occ:Raily No Taker (Out Of Emp)
    Frederick PAMMENT 15 MCherry Hinton, Cambridge, England
    Rel:Son
    Mary J. PAMMENT 8 FBury St Eds, Suffolk, England
    Rel:Daur
    Occ:Scholar
    Benjamin PYMARW79 MSwaffham, Norfolk, England
    Rel:Visitor
    Occ:Tailor
    George PYMARU21 MWickhambrook, Suffolk, England
    Rel:Boarder
    Occ:Raily Engine Cleaner

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    1891 census for Bury St. Edmunds, #9 Outnorthgate St. finds Charles Edwin Pamment Sr., age 63, situation "border" (in Charles Jr's home) retired railway worker. Widower. Place of birth listed as London, Aldgate.

    1892 marriage certificate lists for "Father's Name and Surname" -- Susan Pamment and in "rank or profession" it states "single woman." This is the evidence which conclusively links Charles Edwin Pamment, Sr. to Susan Pamment and the main family tree.

    As Charles Edwin Pamment, Sr. and spouse Sarah Ann Pymar were married in an independent chapel, any baptisms were likely non-conformist baptisms and more difficult to trace.

    DEATH registered -
    Deaths Sep 1893 (July/August/September)

    Pamment Charles Edwin 72 Bury St. Edmunds district, volume 4a page 46[4]




    Mother: Susan PAMMENT b: ABT 1808 in Isleham, Cambridgeshire, England

    Marriage 1 Sarah Pattle CARTER b: ABT 1816 in England
    • Married: 14 OCT 1847 in Denston, Suffolk, England 7
    • Note:
      Marriage certificate details:

      Oct. 14, 1847. Charles Edwin Pamment, full age, bachelor, grocer, living in Isleham, Cambs.; fathers name "not known" marrying Sarah Carter, full age, widow, grocer, Denston, Suffolk (residence) father's name is John Pattle. NOTE: Wedding took place at Denston Parish Church.
    Children
    1. Has Children Charles Edwin PAMMENT , Jr b: BET JUL AND SEP 1848 in Denston, Suffolk, England
    2. Has No Children Arthur Pattle PAMMENT b: BET JAN AND MAR 1850 in Risbridge Registration District, Suffolk,England
    3. Has Children Arthur Pattle PAMMENT b: 9 MAR 1851 in Denston, Suffolk, England
    4. Has No Children Anna Jane PAMMENT b: BET JUL AND SEP 1853 in Denston, Suffolk, England
    5. Has Children Elizabeth Emma PAMMENT b: BET APR AND JUN 1857 in Wickhambrook, Suffolk, England
    6. Has No Children Henry PAMMENT b: AUG 1860 in Wickhambrook, Suffolk, England

    Marriage 2 Sarah Ann PYMAR b: ABT 1839 in Wickhambrook, Suffolk, England
    • Married: 23 JUL 1862 in Independent Chapel at Stansfield, Suffolk 8
    • Note: Both stated that their residence was Denston, Suffolk. Charles Edwin, Sr. stated that his age was 35. His father's name was left blank on the certificate.
    Children
    1. Has Children Harry PAMMENT b: BET 1863 AND 1865 in Burwell, Cambridgeshire, England
    2. Has Children Frederick Thomas PAMMENT b: ABT 1867 in Cherry Hinton, Cambridgeshire, England
    3. Has Children Mary Jane PAMMENT b: BET OCT AND DEC 1872 in Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk, England

    Marriage 3 Mary Ann Hazlewood LONG b: BET 1827 AND 1828
    • Married: 7 FEB 1892 in Parish Church, St. John's, Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk, England 9
    • Note: Both Charles and Mary were widower and widow, respectively. Mary Ann's age was 64. Charles stated he was living at 2 Tayfen Terrace, Bury St. Edmunds and Mary was living at 1 Avenue Approach, Bury St. Edmunds.

    Sources:
    1. Baptized 1830. Suspect that his mother Susan may have died giving birth to Charles Edmund. She died in April 1830.
    2. Title: Death registered in Bury St. Edmunds district volume 4a page 46[4]
    3. Marriage certificate lists occupation.
    4. 1871 census for Cherry Hinton, Cambs.
    5. 1891 census for Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk.
    6. Isleham Parish Register (1566-1851)
    7. Copy of marriage certificate
    8. Title: e-mail from Sue Ayre dtd 5/20/2000
    9. Title: Marriage Certificate of Charles Edwin Pamment to Mary Ann Long
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