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  • Name: Bailus Earle TURNER
  • Surname: Turner
  • Given Name: Bailus Earle
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 12 Nov 1804 in , Spartanburg, SC, USA
  • Death: 27 Aug 1899 in , Union, GA, USA
  • Burial: Mt. Zion Cem., Union Co., GA
  • _UID: 7BEC9E275C0CD649A36DC491DBA2B276BD90
  • Note:

    Bailus [aka Bailis, aka Baylus] is an enigma. He was born in SC, yet some Censuses say NC. Several of his children were listed sometimes as born in NC, sometimes in GA. Many have thought him to be a son of Micajah and Nancy Turner, born in VA in 1777, living in SC by about 1796 - 1800. They moved to Habersham Co., GA, (the part that is now White Co.), before 1820. But there is no evidence connecting him with them. Some believed that since he was born about the same time as some of Micajah's and Nancy's children, and in SC as were these children, and whereas he showed up later in Union Co., GA as did their son Jarrett, that he may have been their son.


    Doubters have pointed out that he looked partly Native American, and how his picture did not resemble known Turners of our line. Moreover, he never lived near Micajah and Nancy as far as we know, who lived closer to GA than Spartanburg when they were in SC, and whereas Bailus went from SC to NC, showing up in Union Co., GA, long after Jarrett did. Moreover, he lived clear across the county from Jarrett's people, and there is no known evidence of interaction. Significantly, when Jarrett died, there were no male relatives in the county to stand in legally for his survivors, thus Bailus was probably not his brother. The last conclusive evidence lies in the fact that a descendant quoted him firsthand as saying he was raised in upper SC, a place where none of Micajah's and Nancy's children were raised, they having come to GA when Bailus would have been about 16.


    UPDATE: A DNA test by a Bailus Turner descendant in 2007 suggested close kinship to the children of Micajah and Nancy Turner, thus he may have been their cousin and not their brother.


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    VERY UNLIKELY HE WAS A SON OF MICAJAH AND NANCY TURNER WHO CAME FROM VA TO SC TO GA:


    [Notes From Mr. Doyle Harper:]


    Bailis Earle Turner (12 Nov 1805 - 27 Aug 1899) was my great-great-grandfather. He died when my mother was a small child, but I interviewed a cousin Cassie [Turner] Mason, who remembered him, and heard him say he was raised in SC, and grew up on the Broad River. It was she who told me he said he was Black Dutch, [a nickname for Native American, to trick government forces who were removing Indians from NC and GA in the 1830's.] My father located an old picture of him (from a Botts family), showing him to be somewhat Indian in appearance. I copied this picture, and have widely circulated it. While I believe Bailis was part indian, I do not think it was Cherokee, since neither he nor any of his children applied for Cherokee Indian money at the time Guion Miller was processing claims. [Could have been Catawba Indian, who are from upper SC?] Considering their economic status, they would have if they thought they had any chance to get it. Fear that he could be sent to the Indian Territory may account for him being listed as Black Dutch in 1840.


    NOTE: He was listed as White in every subsequent census. He was named for Judge Bailis Earle, who lived at the NW corner of Spartanburg County, SC, against the present NC line. At the time of Bailis' birth, however, this line was in dispute between NC and SC. He may have been born on land presently within NC, as Broad River doesn't enter SC until much further down in Union County, BUT Bailis said he was born in SC. He first married in Pendleton District, which would support an early move from the Broad River area.


    Son William was killed in 1863 during the Civil War, and Bailis was appointed his executor 12 Jan 1863.


    Son Bailus and Murry are the same person, and he was also killed during the Civil War. He is buried at The Glade with a government marker at his grave. Children by Elizabeth (Betsy) Darnell were: Avaline; William: Jesse S. (also killed in the Civil War); Leander Marion; Celia Vienna [mistakenly listed as Delila on the 1850 Census]; Sarah Jane; Bailis Murry; Miles Clayton; and Adeline.


    Children by Elenor (Nelly) Darnell were: Lewis Clary Alfred Corn Turner (known as Uncle Buddy; Martha Mattie; & Perry Bealus. Nelly also had a daughter, Sarah, born before she was married to Bailis. I have not been able to identify the father of the Darnell sisters. Their mother was named Sarah, and she lived with Bailis after she was widowed. She pronounced her last name as Darnel, and always had a mouthful of snuff, which accounts for some of the misspellings of her name.


    I have just ordered a DNA kit from National Geographic, which I will give to a Turner cousin to submit. In that way, I hope to establish whether or not the Bailis Turner line is related to the Micajah Turner Line.


    [Doyle Harper]



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    ADDITIONAL HISTORY BY ACCLAIMED GENEALOGIST, HISTORIAN, AND CULUMNIST, ETHELENE DYER JONES:


    [There was] another Turner family who migrated to and settled in Union County a bit later than Jarrett Turner. The name of this early citizen was Bailis Earle Turner (1805-1899) who lived on Dooly Creek. When a portion of Union County was taken to form Fannin County in 1854, Bailis and his family were residents of the new county without having moved at all.


    Were Jarrett and Bailis Turner related? Brothers, maybe? Or cousins? This writer does not know for sure. Both Jarrett and Bailis were born in South Carolina. Jarrett was the son of Micajah Turner, but in the genealogical records available so far concerning Bailis, they indicate that his father?s first name is unknown. However, we have found that Bailis?s grandfather was Captain George Turner (1738-1804) who was a Revolutionary War leader.


    Bailis Turner claimed so-called Black Dutch ancestry, stating that he descended from Protestant Germans who lived in the Black Forest area and migrated to America to escape religious persecution. [NOTE: DNA testing seems to align him with Turners who came to VA from England. He may have been part American Indian? A photo of him seems to suggest he was. JBT.]


    Bailis Turner was born in the Broad River section of northern Spartanburg County, SC. From Spartanburg, this family of Turners moved next to near the line of Buncombe County, North Carolina.


    There Bailis met and married his first wife, Elizabeth (Betsy) Darnell, daughter of Daniel and Sarah Darnell. When the 1850 Union County, Georgia census was taken, Bailis was 44, his wife Elizabeth was 41, and they had children Avaline, 19, William, 17, Jesse, 14, and Leander, 11, all born in North Carolina. The last four listed were born in Georgia: Delila, 8, Murray, 5, Bailis, 3, and a baby, age 1 (also listed as Avaline-which raises the question: Did they name two daughters Avaline?). Betsy Turner died in 1851. Bailis married, second, his wife?s sister, Eleanor, called Nellie. Altogether, Bailis was the father of thirteen children.


    In 1854, when a new county was formed, Bailis and his family were within the confines of Fannin County. The War Between the States saw this Turner family with divided loyalties. Son Jessie joined the Confederacy and lost his life in Atlanta in 1863. Miles and Murray went to Tennessee and enlisted in the US Army. Leander Marion Turner (Nov. 20, 1838 - November 28, 1911) first enlisted in the Confederate Army. He deserted, and having changed his loyalty, went to Tennessee to join his brothers Miles and Murray and enlisted in the U. S. Army. William, born about 1833, was in the Southern army, loyal to the Confederacy.


    When Murray, Miles and Leander were home on leave from the Union Army, they were out picking blackberries on their father?s farm. A roving band of raiders known as the Home Guard and led by Harrison Martin overtook them. Miles and Leander ran from the raiders and escaped. But Murray, hard of hearing, did not hear the approach of the ruffians. He was captured, killed, and his boots taken. Miles was later overtaken and captured. His friend in the Home Guard begged for mercy for Miles, and they let him go.


    When the war was over, Miles Turner married, first, Amy Jane Patterson on January 9, 1868 in Fannin County, Georgia. The oldest marked grave in the Oak Grove Baptist Church Cemetery between Union and Fannin Counties is that of Amy Jane Turner (Feb. 10, 1855 - March 17, 1896). Miles Turner married, second, on November 28, 1897 to Missouri Abercrombie (Nov. 4, 1865 - Sept. 3, 1943). Miles was born November 22, 1846 and died May 8, 1937. He received a military pension for his service in the War Between the States. The 1910 census of Fannin County lists the children still at home with Miles and Missouri Turner as May, 20; Casey, 17; Homer, 11; Howard, 8; Hurman, 6, Hattie, 4, and baby Willie, newly born.


    A younger son of Bailis and Nellie Turner was named Lewis (Nov. 12, 1852-Aug. 12, 1949). He was only twelve when a group of raiders went to the Turner house demanding to know where clothing and food were hidden. Others in the family had fled and young Lewis was left to confront and answer the raiders. He told them he would never reveal the hiding place of his family?s goods. The raiders tied a rope around Lewis Turner?s neck and strung him up to a joist on the porch of the Turner home. They let him down, thinking the punishment would force him to tell. The brave boy was adamant in not telling. He was strung up a second time, and the raiders left the boy hanging. As soon as the raiders were gone, his mother and sisters came out of hiding and gently lowered the boy and revived him. Uncle Buddy Turner as he was known in his later years often told the story of how he was hung twice in the same day and survived to tell the story.


    This same Lewis Turner, aka Uncle Buddy, got a permit and opened the Lewner Post Office in Union County near the Fannin County line. He named the mail site Lewner, using the first syllable of his first name and the last syllable of his last name. It opened April 21, 1908 and operated through February 15, 1955. He was buried in the Oak Grove Cemetery.


    The ancestors of Bailis Turner endured the rigors of the Black Forest in Germany and persecution that led them to come to America to seek freedom. His grandfather, Captain George Turner, fought bravely to win America?s independence from Great Britain. Bailis Turner and his family endured the dark times of the Civil War as they farmed and tried to keep a family of divided loyalties together. Throughout Union, Fannin and beyond are descendants of this family who have distinguished themselves in many walks of life by exemplifying characteristics of determination and courage.


    c 2009 by Ethelene Dyer Jones; published Aug. 13, 2009 in The Union Sentinel, Blairsville, GA. Reprinted by permission. All rights reserved.



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    A posting on Genforum.com states he had a sister named Ann who married a Trammel:


    http://genforum.genealogy.com/turner/messages/18890.html



    Some sources have suggested his father was named George Turner of VA, and may have been a Rev. War veteran named Capt. George Turner. However, documention at the following site says his father, even if he was named George, was not the same as the CAPTAIN George Turner:


    http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/TURNER/2008-12/1228235399
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  • Change Date: 19 Nov 2013 at 12:08:32



    Father: TURNER b: ?
    Mother: UNKNOWN b: ?

    Marriage 1 Elizabeth DARNELL OR DARNOLD b: 1808/1809 in , SC, USA
    • Married: 1828 in , , SC, USA
    Children
    1. Has No Children Avaline TURNER b: 1829 in SC, or, NC
    2. Has No Children William TURNER b: 1833 in , SC or, NC, USA
    3. Has No Children Jesse S. TURNER b: 1836 in , , NC, USA
    4. Has No Children Leander Marion TURNER b: 1839 in , , NC, USA
    5. Has No Children Delila TURNER b: 1842 in NC, or GA, USA
    6. Has Children Sarah E. TURNER b: 1844 in NC, or GA, USA
    7. Has No Children Murray TURNER b: 1845 in , Union, GA, USA
    8. Has Children Miles Clayton TURNER b: 22 Nov 1846 in , Union, GA, USA
    9. Has No Children Bailis Murry TURNER b: 1847 in , , NC, USA
    10. Has No Children Adaline TURNER b: 1849 in Union Co., GA

    Marriage 2 Eleanor (Nelly) DARNELL OR DARNOLD b: AFT 1809 in , , SC, USA
    • Married: AFT 1850 in probably Union Co., GA
    Children
    1. Has Children Lewis Clary Alfred Corn "Buddy" TURNER b: 12 Nov 1852 in of Ivy Log, Union, GA, USA
    2. Has Children Martha Mattie TURNER b: ABT 1851 in of Ivy Log, Union, GA, USA
    3. Has No Children Perry Bealus TURNER b: AFT 1852 in of Ivy Log, Union, GA, USA

    Sources:
    1. Title: Old Pendleton District, SC, Genealogical Society
    2. Title: Pedigree of Ms. Patricia Scott
    3. Title: US Census: 1850, GA, Union Co.
    4. Title: Family records of Mr. Doyle Harper, descendant
    5. Title: US Census: 1860, GA, Union Co.
    6. Title: US Census: 1870, GA, Union Co.
    7. Title: US Census: 1880, GA, Union Co.
    8. Title: Grave at Mt. Zion Cem., Union Co., GA

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