Oliver Stowell Payton Hawley, ETC

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My great-grandfather John William Oliver and his ancestors (Oliver, Dudley, Venable) and descendants. John William Oliver was born in 1853 in Hamilton County, Florida and died in Georgia in 1932. His wife was Inez Stowell who was a descendant of Joseph Hawley. Edgar Ray Oliver, son of John William Oliver and Inez Stowell, married Ella Frances Payton.

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  • ID: I15704
  • Name: Mary VENABLE
  • Given Name: Mary
  • Surname: Venable
  • Sex: F
  • Note:

    Mary Venable, bc. 1800 NC. Married William F. Oliver in 1814 in Chatham County, Georgia. We do not know her pedigree but we can conjecture her parentage from records. The name Venable was fairly rare in America. It is not known when Mary and her family moved from NC to Chatham County, Georgia but it had to be between her birth in 1800 (or earlier) in NC to 1814 when she married William F. Oliver in Chatham Co, Ga. Because there were no Venables in the 1820 census for Chatham County, Georgia, her parents either died or moved away before the census.

    Chatham County, Georgia Tax Index 1798: William Venable.
    James VENABLES was on the list of tax defaulters in Chatham Co. for the years 1798 & 1799

    If Mary Venables were born in 1800 in NC, neither this William or this James could be her father.

    A William VENABLES had letters left at the Savannah Post Office between 1803 & 1808

    Mary, according to her tombstone at Gravel Hill Cemetery in Pooler (Chatham County) Georgia died in 1860, age 60. If this were true, she would have been born in 1800. 1850 Census records for Chatham County, Georgia show that she was born in NC and was 49 years of age (born 1801 ?). However, if her children provided the data for her tombstone, they may not have known her birthdate. If she married William F. Oliver in 1814 (per the marriage records for Chatham County, Georgia) and she were born in 1800, she would only have been 14 at the time of her marriage and even in that era, 14 was very young to be a bride. If she were born before 1800, she would have been older than 14 at her marriage which would have been more acceptable.

    If Mary Venable were indeed born in NC, there are not many options for her parents. The only NC counties with Venables between 1790 and 1800 were Surry/Stokes, Granville and Lincoln. Surry County County created 1771 from Rowan, and in 1789 parts of Surry created Stokes. Thus, any Venable in Rowan, Stokes or Surry could be related to each other. Lincoln County was created in 1779 from Tryon County which was created in 1768 from Mecklenberg County which was created from Anson.

    YDNA

    The Venable YDNA project is young. Remember when you are reading this that in the NC Venable pedigree a Venable woman had several children out of wedlock that had the name Venable so that some of the non-matching groups may be from that source. Another reason for non-maaatches is that some participants may not have the correct ancestor listed.

    Group one: Joseph Venable 1730 VA-1810 KY, John Venable 1780 SC -AR, Moses Venable 1808 KY-1858 MS, Larkin S. Venable 1816 KY

    Group two: Abraham Vena ble 1661 Eng-1710 Va, John W. Venable 1823 Ga - 1890 Ga

    Group three: Thomas Venable 1706 England, Benjamin Franklin Hill 1873 NC

    Group Four: John Columbus Venable 1851 Surry, William Venable 1831-1912, and paarticipants with the last names of Jarmon, Salmon, Robinet and Bush.

    VENABLE CENSUS RECORDS

    The Georgia census records of 1790, 1800 and 1810 were destroyed, as were the 1790 and 1800 Virginia census records. Since Mary Venable was born in NC either in 1800 or before and married in 1814 (before GA census records) in Chatham Co, Ga, I am only showing the 1790, 1800 census records.

    1790 Census

    Areeage Venables.........................Prince George, MD (adjacent to VA)
    Andrew Venable...............................York, SC
    Archibald Venable...........................York, SC
    Ezekiel Venables.............................Charles, MD (adj. To Prince George Co and VA)
    James Veanble................................York, SC
    John Venable.....................................York, SC
    John Venable.....................................York, SC
    John Venable.....................................Stokes, NC
    Joseph Veanneable........................Spartanburg, SC
    Mary Venables...................................Charles, MD
    Richard Venable................................York, SC
    Richard Veneble (I)............................Lincoln, NC
    Richard Venable (II)...........................Lincoln, NC
    Sarah Venable....................................Rowan, NC
    William Veanible.................................Spartanburg, SC
    William Venable..................................Stokes, NC
    William Venable..................................York, SC
    William Venables................................Prince George, MD

    The Venables must have moved away from PA by 1790. PA is adjacent to MD which is adjacent to VA. (Bear with me here, I'm getting to PA.)

    Stokes County is on the VA/NC border. Buncombe County is further east as is Lincoln County, NC.
    York County SC is on the SC/NC border

    1800 Census

    Anne Venables.................................Somerset, MD
    Charles Venables............................Somerset, MD
    Elizabeth Venables..........................Somerset, MD
    James Venable.................................York, SC
    James Venable.................................Richmond, NY
    John Venable.....................................Lincoln, NC
    John Venable.....................................Stokes, NC
    John Venable.....................................York, SC
    John Venables...................................Worcester, MD
    Joseph Venable................................Spartanburg, SC
    Joseph Venable.................................Spartanburg, SC
    Mary Venables...................................Charles, MD
    Richard Venable.................................Spartanburg, SC
    Richard Venables...............................Somerset, MD
    Robert Venables.................................Somerset, MD
    Thomas Venables..............................Somerset, MD
    William Venable...................................Buncombe, NC
    William Venable...................................Stokes, NC
    William Vennable.................................Spartanburg, SC

    MARYLAND RECORDS

    Dorothy Venables 1701 Somerset Co, Maryland, List of Cattlemarks. I can not find the parents .....................of Dorothy Venable but this does show that there were Venables in Maryland early.
    George Venable 1733 Charles Co. Maryland Tax List
    George Venable 1748 Charles Co, Maryland witnessed will ovf Peter Villett
    George Venable 1748 Charles Co, Maryland witnessed will of Charles Jones
    George Venable 1758 Charels Co, Maryland witnessed will of Thomas Ward
    George Venable 1758 Charles Co. Maryland Tax list
    George Venable 1761 Charles Co, Mayland witnessed will of Richard Adams
    George Venable 1767 Charles Co, Maryland will
    .....(Admin: Theodore Venable, heirs: Mary Kerreck, Lauence Venable)
    George Venable 1769 Charles Co, Maryland will
    ......(Admin: Anne Venebles, heirs: Theodorus Venable, Josias Venable)
    George Venable 1773 Charles Co. Maryland Tax liat
    Benjamin Venables 1763 petition Wicomico Co, Md
    William Venables 1763 petition Wicomico Co, Md
    Joshua Venables 1763 petition Wicomico Co, Md

    NORTH CAROLINA RECORDS

    LINCOLN COUNTY NC (1756 from Mecklenberg)

    1790 Census

    Males: 16+, -16, free females, other free persons, slaves

    Thomas Oliver 1-1-1-0-0
    John Oliver 1-4-3-0-0
    James Oliver 1-0-0-0-0
    Richard Venable 3-5-3-0-1
    Richard Venable 1-0-1-0-6
    Alex. Gilleland 2-4-5-0-4

    Other names on this census

    Cornelius McCartey (McCarty?/McCartie? -later found in Chatham County GA)

    1.Alexander Gilleland (b. 1737 Ireland)/Frances Elizabeth Baird
    2a. Elizabeth Gilleland married Robert Wislon (Jordan descendant of Jordan family who married Venable in PA)
    2b. Thomas Gilleland (b. 1763 Lincoln Co NC)/Mary Allen
    3. William Gilleland (b. 1786 Lincoln Co NC)/Elizabeth Fisher
    (3a) John Gilleland (1812 NC)-m-(1835 Clark Co Ga) Jerusha Venable (1815 Jackson Co, Ga)(descendants of Abraham Venable/Martha Davis moved to Jackson Co, Ga)
    (3b) William Jackson Gilleland (1824) -m- Sarah Whitehead
    (4b) Willis Jerome Gilleland (1869 Fulton Co, Ga)-m-Dora Brown

    War of 1812: John Venable, William Oliver
    1840 Tax List: Samuel W. Venable

    SURRY COUNTY NC (1771 from Rowan County. On NC/VA border)

    Census Records

    1771: John Toliver, William Toliver, William Venable
    1772: John Tolliver, William Tolliver, William Venable
    1782: Elijah Oliver
    1800: Elijah Oliver
    1810: Daniel Venable, Thomas Venable, William Venable, Thomas Oliver, Elijah Oliver

    1850: Perdu: Columbus (bc. 1846), Eliza (c. 1846), Harriett (c. 1823), James (c. 1820), Robert (c. 1790), Rufus (c. 1847), William (c. 1847)

    STOKES COUNTY NC (1789 from Surry. ON NC/VA border)

    1790 Census: William Venable 1 male over 16. 2 males under 16, 3 females, 0 slaves

    Next line: Ahjah(?) Oliver 2 males over 16, 5 males under 16, 4 females, 0 slaves

    (?)The writing is faded but mostly legible and the name does start with an A as compared to the writing for other names that start with A. The rest of the letters could be (A)hijah or (A)hyah, or (A)lijah or (A)bijah

    Further down: Gilson Oliver 1 male over 16, 2 males under 16, 4 females, 0 slaves,

    From his Revolutionary War Pension application Jilson Oliver: "says he was born in Virginia Amherst County 1754". He lived in Bedford County when called into service (1774) and "after the close of the war removed to North Carolina Surry County and after some years removed to South Carolina "where I now live in Pickens District" The estate sale of Gilson Oliver in 1835 in Pickens County, SC has transactions from: Joseph G. Oliver, widow Oliver,

    There is one Gilson Oliver who was born in 1840 in Indiana and was the son of William Oliver b. 1800/1810 in NC who was the son of John Oliver who married Jane.

    1800:

    William Venable: (4) males under 10, (2) males 10-15, (1) male 16-25, (1) male 26-44 (2) females 10-15, (1) female 26-44

    John Venable

    War of 1812: William Oliver

    GRANVILLE COUNTY NC ( near Surry/Stokes counties. On NC/VA border)

    Had Oliver records as early as 1760 but Venable records do not begin until the 1800's. There is evidence that the Granville Co, NC Oliver family were descendants of the Petersburg Co, VA (lower portion on VA not too far from NC border) Oliver family who also migrated to Elbert Co Ga, Edgeield Co SC and Orangeburg Co SC. Granville County, NC records have Chesley Daniel who had a son and a grandson who married Venables. Chesley had a brother named Josiah who was the ancestor of Tandy Daniel who was born in 1810 in NC. Tandy Daniel migrated to Georgia along with the family of his Satterwhite mother who are also shown in Granville County NC. Bute County was created from parts of Granville ,

    The Venables of Fulton, Gwinnett and Dekalb Counties were from the same family as Sam Venable (descendant of Abraham Venable/Martha Davis) who owned Stone Mountain. They had connections to the KKK and the Knights of the Golden Circle. These Venables were the descendants of Abraham Venable who intermarried with the same Goode, Murrell, McGehee, McCarty and Glenn families that intermarried with the descendants of John J. Oliver of York Co Va, Petersburg Va, Dinwiddie Co Va, Elbert Co Ga.

    NC VENABLE PEDIGREE
    (per several internet pedigrees for this family AND my speculation on relationships))

    A. Richard Venable (1712 PA) -m- Mary Jordan ??????
    ..................died 1800 York Co, SC
    ..................see notes for PENNSYLVANIA VENABLES

    1. John Venable (1737 PA-1808 York Co, SC) married Jane Henderson

    PER Ben Reeves Rootaweb File: MY VENABLE ANCESTORS

    1790 York, South Carolina, Camden District, 2 Males over 16, 3 males under 16 and 5 Femailes
    There were 5 females in John's household when the 1790 census was taken. If they were all family members then two daughters remain unidentified.
    1800 South Carolina index York County p. 462 John Venables 00031 00101

    John bought land on the North Carolina side of the river in Anson County, NC on 27 Mar 1755 and also 226 acers in Mecklenberg County North Carolina 29 Apr 1768.
    John died 21 Nov 1808 at the age of 71 (Archive record and 975.A1 #53 Beersheba Presb. Church Directory) Will is recorded in Ypor Co. South Carolina Bk A p. 271 and Probate records can be found in Case 43 file 1820 (this file is large and list Childre, Grandchildren and relationships). It was written 31 Aug 1808 and proved 16 Dec 1808.The will mentions John's wife Jane, sons William, Archabald, James, and richard; Sons in Law Wm Watson and Andrew Lesley.

    Children of John Venable and Jane Henderson

    ..............1a. William Venable
    ..............1b. Archibald Venable
    ..............1c. James Venable (1761)-m- Jane ?
    ..............1d. Richard Venable
    ..............1e. Mary Venable (d. 1808 York Co, SC)
    .......................-m- William Watson
    ..............1e. John Venable (c. 1766) -m- Agnes

    PER Ben Reeves Rootsweb file: MY VENABLE ANCESTORS

    John (1e) died 25 Jun 1800 at the age of 34. His will is in York Co, SC Bk. A, p. 17 and in File 65 Case 1800. It was written 25 Jun 1800 and proved 7 Jul 1800. His will names his wife, Agnes and four sons: John, Bryson, Andrew, and Francis. The executors were John V. Sr, James, and Agnes. The family probates also name the children of John Venables, Jr as John, Hugh B., and Andrew (Francis died before this time).

    2. Richard Venable (bc. 1736-d. York Co, SC) -m-Hannah Carroll. daughter of Joseph Elias Carroll Sr. and Lady Jennet of Swansea, in 1777 in South Carolina. (Hannah Carroll was born in 1742 in Chester, Pennsylvania and died in 1784.) Will of Joseph Carroll 1779 Craven Co NC:Daughter: Elizabeth w/o Nathaniel Henderson, Ann w/o James Alexander, Hannah w/o Richard Venable

    .........2a. John Venable (1773) had James Venable
    ................2a1. James Venable (1800-1838 Mo) -m- Mary Bryson
    ( Mary b. York Co, SC)

    B. Brother of Richard Venable (see notes at end of this page)?????

    1. William Venable (1735 -1815 Surry Co. NC) -m-Margaret Unknown
    (served in 1772under Capt. Malcolm Curry)

    Although many files have William as a son of Abraham Venable
    and Martha Davis, the 1790 Venable pedigee written by Nathaniel
    Venable shows that Abraham had a William but not this one.
    Abraham did not have a son Richard.

    ...........2a. Rebecca Venable (1759-1829) -m- William Steele (Md)
    ...........2b. William Venable (1760 Stokes Co, NC) -m- Ursula East
    ...................2b1. Pleasant Venable (1780)
    ...................2b2. John Venable (1782 Surry NC)-m-Mary Bowles
    .............................Children: Isham, Joshua, Mary J (b. 1827).
    ....................2b3. Thomas Frederick Venable
    .............................. -m-Mary Priscilla Forkner
    ................................Children: Daniel, Thomas,Celia, Charlotte, Ursula, Allen, Joab (all born in Surry)
    .....................2b4. Sarah Venable (1786-1850 Surry NC) -m-Drury McGee
    ................................Had several children (Venable) out of wedlock before
    ................................she married Drury McGee
    ......................2b5, Jesse Venable (1788 Surry NC-1881 TN)
    ................................ -m- Nancy Bowles
    .................................Children James, Mary, Elizabeth, Aley, Stephen,Pleasant, Andrew, Delia, Nancy
    .......................2b6. Margaret Venable (1789 Stokes NC-1854 Surry NC) -m-Watson Holyfield
    ..................................Children: Lewis, Hardin, Elizabeth, Mary, James
    .......................2b7. James Venable (1797 Stokes NC-KY)
    .......................2b8. Martin T. Venable (1800 Surry NC-VA)
    ................................ -m-Frances V. Forkner
    .............................., Children: Nancy, John, Isaac, Joseph, Sarah, William
    .......................2b9. Mary Francis Venable (1803 ) -m- William Laffoon
    .................................Children: Drury, Celie, John East, Eule, Sanford W.
    .........................2b10. George Venable (1806-1891 MO)
    ....................................-m- Catherine Venable
    ....................................No Childen
    .........................2b11. Rebecca Venable (1810 Surry NC-1835 Surry NC)
    .....................................-m-Wilson Laffoon
    ..................................... No Children listed
    .........................2b12. Drury Venable (1808 d. MO) -m-Chance Fry
    ..............2c. John Venable (1762 Fredeerick Co. Va-1839 Stokes Co, NC)
    .....................-m- Mary Curry (Malcolm Curry)
    ......................Nephew of Richard Venable of Lincoln, NC.
    ......................Student in York Co. SC age 16 at time entered service
    .......................Fought at Battle of Kings Mountain.
    .......................Fought in defense of Charleston, SC
    ............................2c1. Jesse Venable (1787-1877 Stokes NC)
    ..................................... -m- Charity Eaton
    .....................................Children: Martin, Daniel Winston, Haywood,
    .....................................Celia, Squire, John Temple, Francis, Marion,
    .....................................Charlotte
    .............................2c2. Elizabeth :Betsey" Venable (1789)
    ......................................married James Davis
    .............................2c3. William Venable (1792)-m-(1)Sarah Smith
    ..................................(2) Sarah Riggs
    .............................2c4. Sarah Venable (1795-1841) -m-John S. Goins
    .............................2c5. Mary Venable (1797)-No data
    .............................2c6. Rebecca Venable (1800) -m-George Poore
    .............................2c7. John Venable (1803) -m-Mary Cochran
    .......................................Children: Isham, Joshua (married Elizabeth Snow), James Martin, Sarah, .......................................Martha
    ..............................2c8. Malcolm Venable (1805) -m- Mary Moser /MaryStout)
    .......................................children: Mary, Elizabeth
    .......................................The Mosers were from Lancaster PA
    ........................................and Surry Co Tax List
    ................................2c9. Richard Venable (1785 Surry NC )

    Affidavit of Malcolm Venable - Stokes Co., NC, Sept. 9, 1845 - John died June 1, 1839. Mary (Curry) Venable died on Sept. 9, 1842, and left surviving 9 listed children.

    PENNSYLVANIA:

    Per a Message Board post by Ellen Venable Poteet, the NC Venable family was from Pennsylvania.

    Per SOME VENABLES OF ENGLAND AND AMERICA, 1961 by Henrietta Brady Brown:

    "In a letter to William Henry Venable from Abraham Venable (1836-1885), "As I have it down, between the years 1680 and 1685, three brothers, viz. William, James [Joseph?], and Abraham Venables reached the Delaware Bay from England........William Venables married in England. He settled with his family near the little town of Bristol (PA) on the Delaware River. He became a Quaker and became a Quaker preacher.......James [Joseph?] Venables settled at Snow Hill, in Somerset (now Worcester) County, Maryland. Of him and his descendants I know little......Abraham Venable, the youngest of the three English brothers, (married a Lewis) found his way across Chesapeake Bay and settled on the Pamunkey River in Virginia in what was then King William County about the year 1680."

    The first Venable to Pennsylvania was a William of Chathill, Stafford, England, his wife Elizabeth and his daughters Joyce and Frances who arrived in 1682. William died in 1683 in Bucks County, PA, and documentation in "Some Venables of England and America" by Henrietta Brady Brown, written in 1961, indicates he had no sons to carry on the name. The next documentations for Venable in PA are:
    1736 Thomas Venable, Late of Barbados, acquires land in Philadelphia.
    1745 Thomas Venable listed as Justice of the Peace.
    1747 Richard Venble mentioned in will of Mongey Hunter.
    1748 burials: Anne Venables, wife of Richard and Anne Venables, daughter of Richard in Chester Co, PA.
    1751 Richard Venable listed on the tax rolls of Cumberland County, PA and owns 100 acres.
    1752 William Venable, heir, on the list of taxables.
    1754 Richard Venable owned land in Cumberland County 100 acres
    1762 John Venable on list of taxables 100 acres

    If William Venable left no male heirs, which of the other two Venable brothers, Abraham of Virginia or James (Joseph) of Maryland were the ancestors of the Pennsylvania Venables? And, does it really matter since Abraham and James (Joseph) were brothers with the same father?

    "There is a possibility they came from Maryland, as a number of Somerset/Wicomico MD families migrated to Pennsylvania before coming southward." Per a message board post by Ellen Venable Poteet.

    Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Will Book A, page 28, JORDAN, JOHN, Pennsboro, Lancaster Co. April 12, 1750, November 9, 1754. Wife: Catherine, son John, George Tembleton, Isabel Barber, Richard Vennable, Archibald Kenedy, Samuel Lamb, Randle Slack, Mary Wray. Exs: wife Catherine and son John Jordan. Wit: John Addams, John Stewart, Alexander Sanderson, James Sanderson.

    (John Venable of Lincoln and Stokes/Surry Co, NC first volunteered for Revolutionary War Service as a substitute for a John Jordan of York Co, SC. (per his RW pension application)

    Per Jordan family records John Jordan (d. 1754) had children:

    1. John Jordan died 1791
    2. Female Jordan married George Tembleton
    3. Isabel Jordan married (1) Wray (2) Barber
    Mary Wray married John Wilson
    Rev. Rbt. Wilson married Eliz. M. Gilleland (d/o Alexander of Lincoln Co, NC)
    4. Mary Jordan (b. 1716) married (1734 PA) Richard Venable (b. 1712)
    Richard Venable, Jr. (1736? Or so)

    I can find no record that Richard Venable had a William Venable.. If Richard Venable (1712) did not have a William who was Richard, uncle of John Venable who was the son of William Venable?

    5. Catherine Jordan married Archibald Kennedy (1715 PA)
    6. Margaret Jordan married Samuel Lamb
    7. Sarah Jordan married Randal Slack

    This would mean that Richard Venable, Jr. had an uncle named Kennedy and a cousin by marriage named Gilleland.

    Suppose that the Henderson, and Kennedy families above were related to the following Kennedy/Henderson family:

    William Kennedy (1695 Ireland)-m-Mary Henderson (please note Henderson on Jordan pedigree above- coincidence?

    ..........Hugh Kennedy (1724 PA-Effingham, Ga)
    ........ married Ottaline Schremps
    ....................William Kennedy
    ....................married Elizabeth Treutlen (d/o John Adam Treutlen)
    ...................................Benjamin Kennedy
    ...................................married (1) Ann Campbel
    ...................................................(2) Ann Mary Weisenbacker
    ...........................................Elizabeth Kennedy
    ...........................................married Edward Dudley (Edward Dudley/Mary Treutlen)
    .......................................... (please note that the Weisenbackers and Treutlens are related)

    Edward Dudley married Mary Treutlen (d/o John Adam Treutlen)
    ...................Edward Dudley married Elizabeth Kennedy
    ...................Guildford Dudley married Susan Gilleland
    ...........................Mary Dudley married James William Oliver (Wm/Mary Venable)

    Thus, there are two connections that can not be connected to each other :

    (1) Venable/Gilleland/Kennedy/Henderson
    (2) Oliver/Venable/Dudley/Kennedy/Henderson/Gilleland. Both have the names Venable, Kennedy and Gilleland. So far, this is just a coincidence until I can find the connection. But, both Hugh Kennedy and Archibald Kennedy were born in PA in the same time frame.

    The descendants of Mary Venable and William Oliver have both Kennedy and Gilleland connections, although I can not connect to the above Gilleland on the Jordan pedigree

    A FEW MORE COINCIDENCES

    1. Joseph M. Venable (1769 NC) married Rachel (Rebecca?)
    .......................William Abner Venable (1803 NC) married Mary "Polly" Armstrong Dudley

    This gives us Venable/Dudley connection although I can not connect to the Venable or Dudley on the Oliver pedigree.

    2. John C. Kennedy 1794 NC (Sherwood Kennedy 1760 NC/Sarah Coggins Rown NC,) married Mercy Winnifred Daniel from the Daniel family of Middlesex Co, Va. of James Daniel 1707 who married Elizabeth Woodson. (see Venable family of Abraham had Woodson connections) They had Chesley Daniel who married Judith Woodson Christian who had son James Chesley Daniel 1762 Granville Co, NC who married Nancy Ann Venable from the line of Abraham Venable and Martha Hannah Davis. James Daniel had a sister Jane Daniel (1695) who married (1) Oliver Segar and (2) Robert Dudley.

    This gives us a Kennedy/Daniel connection to the Middlesex, Va Daniel family
    This gives us a Daniel/Dudley connection to the Middlesex, Va Daniel family
    This gives us a Daniel/Venable connection to the Virginia Venable family of Abraham and Martha Davis

    Mary Dudley married John William Oliver (William F. Oliver/Mary Venable)

    REVIEW: Before we get too confused here, let us review:

    Family No. 1 (PA, migrated to York Co, SC and Lincoln/Surry/Stokes Co, NC)

    Venable married, Jordan, Henderson, Carroll (sister married Henderson)
    Jordan married Henderson, Wilson (married Gilleland), Kennedy (PA)

    Family No. 2. (can not connect to families of same names in Fam. #1)

    Kennedy (PA) married Henderson
    Kennedy married Treutlen
    Treutlen married Dudley
    Kennedy married Dudley
    Dudley married Gilleland, Kennedy
    Oliver married Venable (b. NC)
    Oliver married Dudley

    Coincidences

    No. 1: Venable married Dudley
    No: 2: Daniel married Dudley, Daniel married Woodson, Woodson married Christian, Christian married Daniel, Daniel married Venable, Daniel married Kennedy

    If Mary Venable were born in NC in 1800, she would probably be from the same line as the Venables who are related to: Jordan, Kennedy, Gilleland, Henderson. The migration of this family was PA to York Co, SC and Lincoln/Surry/Stokes NC. And, since Mary Venable and William F. Oliver had James William Oliver who married Mary Dudley (with Henderson, Kennedy and Gilleland connecitons), it is probable that the Henderson, Kennedy and Gilleland families from both families are the from the same families as well. Perhaps James William Oliver and Mary Dudley were related through the Venable/Gilleland/Kennedy connection. Just speculation, but not proven.

    SPECULATED VENABLE PEDIGREE

    Although the evidence proves that John Venable (1762 Frederick Co, Va) is from the line of Richard Venable of Cumberland Co, PA, I can not prove that his father, William, was from this line. Perhaps when John named his uncle as Richard, he was speaking of his father's uncle instead. That would mean that he was referring to Richard (1712) as his Uncle.

    BUT, I can not connect John or Richard or William to Mary Venable who married William F. Oliver

    AND, although Mary Venable is on the 1850 census of Chatham Co, Ga as being born in NC, it can not be proven unless we can find a record of her somewhere.

    BUT, call me crazy, with the Venable, Gilleland, Kennedy and Dudley coincidences(?) to both families, I like the following pedigree

    A. (Abraham of Virginia, Joseph of Maryland) VENABLE
    ........... A1. Unknown Venable (bef. 1692)
    ................... A1a. Richard Venable (1712 PA-1800 York Co, SC)-m-Mary Jordan (John ..............................Jordan)
    .....................................Richard Venable (1736 SC) married Mary Bryson
    ...........................................John Venable (1773)
    .....................................................James Venable (1800)
    ...................A1b. Brother of Richard Venable -m- Unknown
    ...................................... William Venable (1735 PA) married Margaret
    ...............................................William Venable (1760) -m- Ursula East
    .....................................................John Venable (1762 Va) -m- Mary Curry
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,..substitued for John Jordan of York SC in RW.
    ........................................................... Had an Uncle named Richard in Lincoln Co, NC)
    ...................................................................... .Mary Venable (1797/1800 NC)-m-William F. Oliver.
    ...................................................................... ..............James William Oliver (1822)-m-Mary Dudley
    ...................................................................... ........................John Wm. Oliver (1853)/Inez Stowell


  • Birth: BET 1797 AND 1800 in (Possibly NC)
  • Death: 1860 in Chatham Co, Ga
  • Burial: 1860 Gravel Hill Cem, Pooler, Chatham Co, Ga



    Marriage 1 William F OLIVER b: 1790 in (Possibly NC)
    • Married: 1814 in Chatham Co, Ga
    Children
    1. Has Children James William OLIVER b: 1822 in GA
    2. Has Children Caroline OLIVER b: 1817 in Chatham Co, Ga
    3. Has No Children Stephen H. OLIVER
    4. Has No Children Sarah OLIVER
    5. Has No Children Marie\Mariel OLIVER

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