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  • ID: I17611
  • Name: Avicia de Lancaster
  • Sex: F
  • Death: 1191
  • Note: 1

    ?Avice de Lancaster, who was presumably a daughter of Count Roger (cognomine Pictaviensis), Lord of the honour of Lancaster, by his wife, Aumodis, Countess of La Marche."
    [Reference: Complete Peerage, 4 (1916): 762 (sub Appendix I)].
    Given that Count Roger (cognomine Pictaviensis) lost his land holdings in England in 1102 and then went into permanent exile, it seems difficult to accept that Avice de Lancaster, living 1149, wife of William Peverel of Nottingham, is his daughter. I find this especially unlikely since Count Roger's honour of Lancaster had been lost to the his family from 1102. Surely Avice would have had a different style in her charter if she was Count Roger's daughter.

    Avice de Lancaster apparently married firstly William Peverel and secondly Richard de Morville, see: Judith Green, Earl Ranulf II and Lancashire, Journal of the Chester Archaeological
    Society, lxxi, 1991, p 107. J.C.B.Sharp says he "finds the argument there unconvincing but considering all of the evidence I think the conclusion is correct." If this information is correct, then Avice de Lancaster would presumably be the daughter of William (Fitz Gilbert) de Lancaster
    I, as Avice wife of Richard de Morville is usually assigned as one of William I's children. If so, then Avice de Lancaster would have to have been born no later than say 1134, if she was the wife of William Peverel the younger in 1149.
  • _UID: A6DF4B9505E04000B73CCB76842BF3ED4D48
  • Change Date: 13 SEP 2006

    Father: William De Lancaster
    Mother: Gundred de Warenne

    Marriage 1 William Peverel b: 1080 in Nottingham, Notts
    • Married:
    1. Has Children Margaret Peverall b: ABT 1114

    Marriage 2 Richard De Morville
    • Married:
    1. Has Children Helena De Morville b: 1153

    1. Text: Douglas Richardson
      Posting, on GEN-MEDIEVAL-L or elsewhere.
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