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  • ID: I20019
  • Name: John de Argentein
  • Suffix: Kt
  • Prefix: Sir
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1278 in Wymondley, Hertfordshire
  • Death: BEF 20 OCT 1318
  • Note: 1

    On John de Argentein and his wife Joan's family:
    Some interesting light is shed on the family's domestic arrangements by a surviving set of accounts for 1317-8 from the manor of Melbourn (Palmer), where they seem to have been living at the time. We know from later evidence that Joan's elder daughters, Joan and Elizabeth were married to two brothers, John and William, the sons of Ralph Boteler (or Butler). (The younger daughter, Denise, died without issue.) Evidently they were married extremely young. In fact, the marriages must have been arranged immediately after their status as heiresses was apparent, because in the Melbourn accounts occurs an 'Aid for marrying the lord's eldest daughter'. The young bridegrooms also seem to have been living at Melbourn: the accounts also contain expenses for 'little socks', 'shoes' and 'slippers' for John Boteller, and 'linen cloth for the use of John Boteller and his brother'.
    Other than the reference to Ralph, the father of William, in the above text this marriage seems to fit all of the criteria. The Elizabeth who married William of Wem d. 1369 is not the Elizabeth de Holand who was daughter of Robert de Holand and Maud la Zouche because that Elizabeth married Sir Henry FitzRoger in 1340 (AR line 261-35) with no evidence of divorce or early death. The other William (of Warrington d 1380) that Elizabeth de Argentein might have married, is said (AR line 170-30) to have married Elizabeth de Havering.
    John de Argentein was aged 30 when he succeeded his father in 1308 (Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem). Presumably this is a round figure, so that John would have been born in the late 1260s or in the 1270s - probably after his father's release from captivity after the Battle of Evesham, at any rate.
    We first hear of John when, at his marriage to Joan, the daughter of Roger Brian in 1302, settlements were made by their parents. Reginald settled the manor of Fordham (in Essex) on the couple, and Roger settled his manors of Hatley (in Bedfordshire) and Throcking (in Hertfordshire) after his death. (Roger seems to have died by 1307, when John had a grant of free warren in Hatley and Throcking (Charter Roll)). By his first wife, John had three daughters:
    * Joan, born c.1310
    * Elizabeth, born c.1312
    * Denise, born c.1315
  • _UID: 35819408A4754C9DAEDCD3330AAE0C47EF89
  • Change Date: 13 OCT 2007

    Father: Reginald de Argentine
    Mother: Lora de Vere

    Marriage 1 Joane Bryan b: ABT 1283 in Throcking, Hertfordshire
    • Married:
    1. Has No Children Elizabeth de Argentein b: ABT 1312

    Marriage 2 Agnes de Bereford
    • Married: BEF APR 1317
    1. Has Children John Argentein b: 1318

    1. Type: Web Site
      Title: Outline of the history of the Argentein family: 14th &15th centuries
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