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  • ID: I2043
  • Name: Payne Roet
  • Prefix: Sir
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1310 in Hainault, Belgium
  • Burial: St. Paul?s Cathedral, London
  • Occupation: Guyenne King of Arms
  • MEM: St. Paul?s Cathedral, London: Tomb lost in Great Fire 1666)
  • Note:

    Father in law of Geoffrey Chaucer.
    Mr. Lindsay Brook, of the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (, wrote an article for that organization's premier edition of its journal on the subject of the ancestry of Payne Roet, father of Katherine Roet Swynford.
    In it, he suggests that the name Paon/Paonnet/Payne is a "dit" name, aka an alias or a nickname or an aka, and that (a) Katherine Swynford's father's given name was really "Gilles", and (b) this Gilles dit Payne de Roet was a younger son of the next-to-last Lord of Roeulx.
    The generality of this suggestion is not new, but the specific identification with a Gilles de Roeulx is. Bolstered by arms found for Roet in Rietstrap's _Armourial General_ which are described as incorporating three wheels (a canting coat for Roet = wheel), the connection between arms given for Payne and Katherine Roet Swynford (either gules, three wheels argent, gules, a wheel argent, gules, three wheels or, or, gules, three Catherine wheels or), the connection seemed clear enough.
    But, somewhere, somehow, Rietstrap seems not to have consulted the Lalaing or Wijnbergen armorials, in which the arms for Eustace, Lord of Roeulx, are given as, D'or, trois lions de gueules.
    (Judy Perry on
  • _UID: 79E276AFBC4C432F8D309F51C4D20668AB7F
  • Change Date: 18 SEP 2008

    Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown
      1. Has Children Phillipa Roet
      2. Has Children Katharine Roet b: 1350 in Picardy, France
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