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  • ID: I35216
  • Name: Elizabeth
  • Sex: F
  • Death: 1541 1
  • Note: 2

    Widow of Henry Eden (died 17 Dec 1505), merchant of London, who marrried 1st Mary, dau of John Onley.
    Chancery case 625:13 refers to Henry Eden?s widow Elizabeth who subsequently married Griffith Donne, Knight.
    (The Ancestry of My Children By John Brooks Threlfall, 1970.)
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    She was a widow at the time of the marriage, with a daughter, Grisold, who became the wife of Sir John Boteler of Woodhall. Philip Boteler, a grandson of Grisold Roche and Sir John Boteler, married Katherine Knollys.
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    From Nicholas Carew, the manor of Lamer passed to James Carew, who died in 1493. In 1499 Richard Carew, son and heir of James, conveyed the manor lately belonging to James Carew to Richard Lawdy and John Lawdy, and in 1502 it was settled on Brian Roche and Elizabeth his wife and the heirs of Elizabeth.
    Who this lady was is not known, but it seems possible that Lamer descended to her from the Carews. She was married three times: firstly to Brian Roche, secondly to ___ Edon, and thirdly to Sir Griffin Dunne, and died in 1541, leaving issue by her first two husbands. This manor being settled upon the issue of the first marriage subject to a life interest of the third husband, who died in 1543, it passed to Griselle, the wife of Sir John Boteler, as daughter of Brian Roche and Elizabeth.
    (VCH)
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    Supposedly [3] Grisold Roche was the daughter of a certain "Elizabeth Roche-Eden" [sic] who married 2ndly Sir Griffith Don. This Elizabeth was "called the "lady of Tir Mawr" and reputed to be "a lady of great wealth". [4] If Burke is to be trusted Elizabeth's first husband was Sir William Roche, of Lanier, Herts., Lord Mayor of London in 32 Henry VIII [5].
    My question is: Who was Elizabeth (Eden) Roche and who were her ancestors? It would seem to be implied that she was of Welsh origin but I suppose that is not necessarily the case. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Kelsey J. Williams
    Sources:
    [3] "Does the Don Triptych Portray the Ancestors of Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford?", _Edward de Vere Newsletter_, no. 47 (Feb 2001), 2.
    [4] ibid.
    [5] Sir Bernard Burke, _The General Armory of England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales_ (London, 1878), 864.
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    Beavan says that Sir William Roche died in 1549. So Elizabeth could not have died in 1541?
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  • Change Date: 10 MAR 2010



    Marriage 1 Brian Roche
    • Married:
    Children
    1. Has Children Grizel Roche b: ABT 1516 in Of Lamer, Hertfordshire

    Marriage 2 Griffith Dunn
    • Married:
    Children
    1. Has Children Elizabeth Dwnn b: ABT 1526

    Sources:
    1. Text: EDWARD DE VERE NEWSLETTER
      NO. 47
      Published by De Vere Press, Canada
      ?Does the Don triptych portray the ancestors of Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford?? [Part 3 of 4]
    2. Text: Research notes by Richard Hodgson 2002/3 <mail@ancestorsearch@co.uk>
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