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  • ID: I7577
  • Name: John Talbot
  • Suffix: 1st Earl of Shrewsbury
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 1384 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire
  • Death: 17 JUL 1453 in Castillon, Dordogne, France 1
  • Burial: St Alkmund's, Whitchurch, Salop
  • Cause: Killed during an assault on Castillon, probably by a blow from a battle axe to the back of the skull
  • BATT: Siege of Orleans 1429 (Leader. Imprisoned)
  • Note:

    Lord Talbot 1421. Lord Furnivale, Lord Strange of Blackmere, Count of Clermont
    Earl of Salop, Earl of Waterford.
    "Lord Talbot, later first Earl of Shrewsbury, who 'was descended from old Anglo-Norman stock'. He was supporter of the Lancastrian monarchs, in whose service he played an active role, especially in France. A contradictory figure, the earl has been described as a man of 'violent temper', with a reputation for cruelty, and he was remembered in France as a bogey man whose name was used to frighten naughty children. In England, however, he was seen as a great hero and a pattern of knightly virtue, and even in France he was sufficiently respected for his enemies to build a chapel to his memory on the spot where he died."
    "but their married life was much interrupted by her husband's absences in France, on military duties. "
    Talbot was a prisoner in France from about 1429 - abt 1434.
    "From 1436 to 1445 he was in France almost constantly. He was in England in February to May 1442, 'his first visit since 1435', and it was at this time that he was created Earl of Shrewsbury."
    "In 1447, the Earl returned to England from Ireland, and thence was sent back to France with his brother-in-law, the Duke of Somerset. From August 1449 to July 1450, Talbot was again a prisoner of the French, and was only released in 1450 on condition that he undertake a pilgrimage to Rome, as he himself wished to do. He returned from Rome to England where he arrived on 20 December 1450 to take up the issue of his wife's inheritance."
    "In 1452, the earl was sent back to France, where he was killed on 17 July 1453, probably by a blow from a battle axe to the back of the skull, during an assault on the town of Castillon." 'Edward IV's Uncrowned Queen: The Lady Eleanor Talbot, Lady Butler'
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    His dau Elizabeth married John Mowbray, 5th Duke of Norfolk (1444-76).
    His dau Eleanor (d1468) is said to have married or least had a relationship with Edward IV. If this is the case Edward?s children by his subsequent wife Elizabeth Woodville would be illegitimate.
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    There is a portrait of him in Malahide Castle.
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    [At Castle Ashby] MR. WALPOLE had made me impatient for the sight of the picture of the hero JOHN TALBOT, first Earl of Shrewsbury , by informing me that such a portrait existed in this house. I was at first much chagrined, by my attendant denying all knowlege of it. At length, after much search, I discovered it, and redeemed the earl and his second countess from beneath a load of paltry pictures flung into one of the garrets.
    THE portraits are originals; coarse, and rudely painted on board, as might be expected from the artists of the period in which they flourished. It has on it this later inscription: "John Talbote Lord Talbote , created E. of Shrewsbury by Henry VI." His countenance is hard, his hair short and ill-combed, his hands stretched out in the attitude of prayer. He is in armour, but mostly covered with a mantle emblazoned with his arms. His sword, sum TALBOTI pro occidere inimicos meos , is wanted. He was the terror of France: his name put armies to flight. He had been victorious in forty several and dangerous skirmishes: at length was slain, in 1453, aged eighty, at Chastillon ; and with him perished the good fortune of the English during that unhappy reign. His herald, dressed in the surtout of the hero's arms, found his body, embraced it, took off the surtout painted with his master's arms, cloathed the dead corpse with it, and burst into these passionate expressions: "Alas! is it you ? I pray God pardon all my misdoings! I have been your officer of arms forty years or more; 'tis time I should surrender them to you."
    His Countess Margaret , eldest daughter and co-heir of Richard Beauchamp Earl of Warwick, is represented in the same attitude, and with a herald's surtout properly emblazoned. Her cap is worked with lions rampant, the arms of her husband: her neck ornamented with gold chains. She died June 14th, 1468, and was interred in St. Paul's cathedral. The body of her lord was brought over and buried at Whitchurch, Shropshire .
    (The Journey from Chester to London. Thomas Pennant.)
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  • Change Date: 8 DEC 2011



    Father: Richard Talbot b: 1361
    Mother: Ankaret Le Strange b: 1361

    Marriage 1 Maud De Neville b: ABT 1392
    • Married: BEF 12 MAR 1407
    Children
    1. Has Children John Talbot b: 1430
    2. Has Children Catherine Talbot

    Marriage 2 Margaret Beauchamp b: 1404
    • Married: 6 SEP 1425 in Warwick Castle, Warwick
    Children
    1. Has Children John Talbot b: 1426
    2. Has No Children Joan Talbot b: ABT 1396 in Waterford, Ireland
    3. Has No Children Eleanor Talbot

    Sources:
    1. Text: The Complete Peerage Vol XI
      Page: 698-704
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