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  • ID: I27180
  • Name: *Pain fitzJohn
  • Sex: M
  • Name: *Payn FitzJohn
  • Birth: ABT 1100 in Ewyas, Herefordshire, England 1
  • Death: 10 JUL 1137 in Carmarthenshire, Wales 1
  • Burial: Gloucester Abbey 1
  • Occupation: BET 1127 AND 1136 Sheriff of Herefordshire 1
  • Occupation: BET 1126 AND 1135 Sheriff of Shropshire 1
  • Note:
    Pain fitzJohn (sometimes Payn fitzJohn or Pagan fitzJohn;(. c 1100 - 10 Ju ly 1137) was an Anglo-Norman nobleman and administrator, and one of King H enry I of England's "new men". The son of a minor nobleman, Pain, along wi th his brothers, rose through their ability to become important royal offi cials during the reign of King Henry. Pain was rewarded with marria ge to an heiress in 1115, and among the lands he gained control of throu gh his wife was Ludlow Castle, which he augmented with further land acquis itions.

    Although later medieval traditions stated that Pain was a chamberlain to K ing Henry, this is not securely attested in contemporary records. Other of fices, however, are known to have been held by Pain, including the offi ce of sheriff in two counties near the border with Wales. Pain also serv ed as a royal justice, hearing legal cases for the king in much of weste rn England. Although his family had originated in Normandy, Pain appea rs to have mostly concentrated his career in England and the Welsh Marche s, as little documentary evidence ties him to Normandy. Pain was also gene rous to a number of monastic houses, gifting them with lands.

    After the death of King Henry in 1135, Pain supported Henry's nephew, Ki ng Stephen, and was with the new king throughout 1136. However, Pain was a mbushed by the Welsh in July 1137 and killed. His heirs were his daughter s, Cecily and Agnes. Cecily married the son of one of Pain's close associa tes, Miles of Gloucester.

    Pain was probably the eldest son of John fitzRichard, a tenant-in-chief li sted in Domesday Book. Pain's paternal grandfather was from near Avranch es and owned a mill as well as being a moneyer, and his brother, Eustace f itzJohn was also a royal official, ending up with lands in the north of En gland. Other siblings included William, Alice and Agnes. William was proba bly the same William who later held Harptree in Somerset, and was a roy al justice in western England in 1130. Alice was the abbess of Barking Abb ey and Agnes became the wife of Roger de Valognes.

    Pain was born sometime before 1100. His father may have been in the servi ce of King Henry in Normandy before Henry became king. The family lan ds in England were based in East Anglia, and were not very large. Pain, ho wever, appears to have inherited most of the familial lands in Englan d, as his payment for danegeld in 1130 for his lands in East Anglia w as 40 shillings, but the danegeld payment for his brother Eustace's lan ds in the same area were only 9 shillings.

    All accounts agree that Pain married in 1115 and that his wife was named S ybil, however the identity of Sybil's parents is unclear.

    Pain is supposed to have been the builder of Pain's Castle in the Welsh co unty of Radnor. He also had control of Caus Castle in Shropshire. Besid es these castles, Pain acquired through his wife the control of Ludlow Cas tle in Shropshire. Along with Ludlow, he also acquired the title to Weobl ey Castle and Ewyas Lacy through his wife, although he does not appe ar to have exercised any control over Weobley, which eventually went to Gi lbert de Lacy. Pain did not receive the entirety of the lands of Hugh de L acy, as some went to Jocelin de Dinan and others went to Miles of Gloucest er. Pain's share, however, included lands in Gloucestershire, Herefordshir e, and Worcestershire. Pain worked to acquire lands near Ludlow, addi ng to the manors that he held there through his wife. Besides these lan ds near Ludlow and his ancestral lands, he had also acquried lands in Oxfo rdshire by 1130, when he was excused payment of dangeld on lands there.

    Pain faced difficulties with the lands inherited by his wife. Although bo th King Henry and King Stephen recognized Pain as the holder of the lan ds in England, there was another claimant, Gilbert de Lacy. Gilbert was t he son of Roger de Lacy, who had been banished from England in 1095 and h is lands confiscated. Roger retained his lands in Normandy, however. Roger 's English lands were given to his brother Hugh de Lacy, from which Syb il inherited them. On Roger's death, Gilbert inherited the Norman lands, a nd continued to press his claims to the English lands. One historian, Bru ce Coplestone-Crow, speculates that the uncertainty about the inheritan ce was one reason that Pain endeavoured to secure more lands around Ludl ow in order to secure his hold over the Lacy inheritance.

    On 10 July 1137 Pain was killed by the Welsh in an ambush, from a javel in blow to the head. He had been attempting to lead a relief expediti on to garrison at Carmarthen when the ambush was sprung. His burial w as in Gloucester Abbey with the funeral service conducted by Robert de Bet hune.
    (Wikipedia)




    Father: John fitzRichard b: BEF 1056 in Vains, Normandy, France

    Marriage 1 *Sybil Talbot b: 1103 in Swanscombe, Dartford, Kent, England
    • Married: 1115 1
    Children
    1. Has No Children Cecily FitzJohn b: ABT 1120
    2. Has Children *Agnes FitzJohn b: 1125 in Holkham, Norfolk, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Wikipedia
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