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  • ID: I143961
  • Name: ISABEL ELIZABETH (NOTES) CREPI (L) DE VERMANDOIS
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: BET 1058 AND 1100 in VERMANDOISE, PICARDIE OR VALOIS, BRITTANY OR PICARDY, FRANCE
  • ALIA: ELIZABETH (NOTES) CREPI CAPET (L) DE VERMANDOIS
  • Title: COUNTESS DE VERMANDOIS
  • Event: 1 AKA ISABEL (NOTES) CAPET (L) DE VERMANDOIS
  • Event: 2 AKA ISABELLA (NOTES) (L) VERMANDOIS
  • Event: 3 AKA ELIZABETH OR ISABEL (NOTES) (L) VERMANDOIS CAPET
  • Event: 4 AKA ISABEL (NOTES) (L) MAGNUS
  • Event: 5 AKA ELIZABETH OR ISABELL (NOTES) CAPET COUNTESS (L) DE VERMANDOIS
  • Event: 6 AKA ISABEL OR ELIZABETH (NOTES) CAPET OF (L) VERMANDOIS
  • Event: 7 AKA ISABEL ELIZABETH (NOTES) CAPET OF (L) VERMANDOIS
  • Event: 8 AKA ELIZABETH (NOTES) (L) DE CREPI
  • Event: 9 AKA ISABEL ELIZABETH (NOTES) (L) DE CREPI
  • Event: 10 AKA . Elizabeth (NOTES) de Vermandois, Countess of (L) Meulan
  • Event: 11 AKA ELIZABETH (NOTES) (L) CAPET
  • Death: BET 13 JAN 1121 AND 17 FEB 1132 in ST. NICAISE, FRANCE OR FROME, SOMERSET, ENGLAND
  • Note:
    SOME SOURCES SAY ISABEL'S PARENTS WERE HUGH (NOTES)"THE GREAT" DE CREPI (L) DE BEAUMONT AND ADELLE OR ADELAIDE COUNTESS OF (L) VERMANDOIS AND HER GRANDPARENTS WERE HENRI HENRY I (NOTE) DE BEAUMONT KING (L) FRANCE AND ANNE ANNA AGNESA (NOTES) YAROSLAVNA OF (L) KIEV.

    OTHER POSSIBLE PARENTS ARE SHOWN BELOW BUT THIS INDIVIDUAL IS NOT SHOWN AS A CHILD ON THE FOLLOWING POSSIBLE PARENTS' FAMILY PAGES, TO DO SO WOULD BE CONSIDERED ERRORS BY THIS PROGRAM. EVEN THOUGH THESE LAST POSSIBLE PARENTS MAY BE THE CORRECT ONES, SHOWING MORE THAN ONE SET OF PARENTS COULD CAUSE MY "FAMILY TREE" PROGRAM TO MALFUNCTION.

    OTHER SOURCES SAY HER PARENTS WERE (HER GRANDPARENTS ABOVE) HENRI HENRY I (NOTE) DE BEAUMONT KING (L) FRANCE AND ANNE ANNA AGNESA (NOTES) YAROSLAVNA OF (L) KIEV.

    ALSO, SOME SOURCES SAY ISABEL WAS THE MOTHER OF HAWISE MABEL AVIS (NOTE)BEAUMONT (L) DE BEAUMONT (SHOWN AS HER GRANDDAUGHTER HERE, REGINALD REYNOLD (NOTE) DUNSTANVILLE (L) FITZROY (SHOWN AS HER STEPSON HERE), ALICE (NOTES) DE BEAUMONT OR (L) BEAUMONT, HENRY (NOTE) EARL HUNTINGDON PRINCE (L) SCOTLAND, SIBYL SYBILLA ADELA OR LUCY (NOTES) (L) CORBET (BOTH SIBYL AND ISABEL ELIZABETH ARE ALSO SHOWN AS WIVES OF HENRY I GUNDRED "BEAUCLERC" KING OF (L) ENGLAND).AND OF ISABEL (NOTES) (L) DE BEAUMONT-LE-ROGER BUT SHE IS NOT SHOWN SO HERE BECAUSE SHOWING MORE THAN ONE SET OF PARENTS COULD CAUSE MY "FAMILY TREE" PROGRAM TO MALFUNCTION.

    THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION WAS RECEIVED FROM Alton Rogers aer437@yahoo.com IN APRIL 2009.

    THE PORTION OF THE INFORMATION HE GAVE ME RELATING TO THIS PERSON IS POSTED BELOW (THE INFORMATION RELATING TO OTHERS IS POSTED ON THEIR INDIVIDUAL PAGES)

    file: More 14

    OUR 8TH TO 12TH CENTURY FRANCE ROYAL ANCESTRY
    Including the family of French noble lady Elizabeth de Vermandois and her husband Robert de Beaumont, a commander at the Battle of Hastings, who were ancestors of Richard Strongbow de Clare, the Norman Conqueror of Ireland.
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    12. Elizabeth de Vermandois, Countess of Meulan
    Also called Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois
    She was born c.1085 and died 13/17 February 1131 in England
    She was buried at Lewes Priory in East Sussex.
    http://www.lewespriory.org.uk/

    Note: she was our ancestor from her three children of two husbands:
    (1) from Robert de Beaumont (Meulan):
    Elisabeth (Isabelle) de Beaumont, wife of Gilbert de Clare. See More 1 # 8.
    (2) from William de Warenne 2nd Earl of Surrey:
    - his son William de Warenne, 3rd Earl, whose daughter Isabelle de Warenne was wife to Hamelin Plantagenet, a son of King Henry II. See Skepper 3 # 4 & Skepper 3B # 2.
    - and his daughter Ada de Warenne who married Henry of Scotland, younger son of King David I of Scotland. See More 4 # 11.

    Elizabeth was the third daughter of Hugh of Vermandois and Adele of Vermandois. Her mother was the heiress of the county of Vermandois, and descendant of a junior matrilineal line of descent from Charlemagne. The first Count of Vermandois was Pepin of Vermandois, who was a son of Bernard of Italy, grandson of Pippin of Italy and great-grandson of Charlemagne and Hildegard.

    She was a fascinating figure about whose descendants and ancestry much is known and about whose character and later life relatively little is known.

    She was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates, and had several children among whose descendants are numbered many kings and some queens of England and Scotland.

    Her Capetian and Carolingian ancestry was a source of much pride for some of these descendants. She was distantly related to the Kings of England, the Dukes of Normandy, the Counts of Flanders and through her Carolingian ancestors to practically every major nobleman in Western Europe.

    However, the lady herself led a very controversial life due primarily to the adulterous affair that she had with William de Warenne, while still married to Robert de Beaumont.

    (1) The first marriage of Elizabeth de Vermandois:
    In 1096, while under age (and probably aged 9 or 11), she married (as his 3rd wife):
    Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester.
    He was also known as Robert de Beaumont or Robert de Bellomonte, Earl of Mellent, Lord of Norton. French: Rogier de Belmont.
    His nickname was ‘Prudhomme’.
    He was born in c.1049/50 and died 5 June 1118 at Preaux Abbey in Normandy.
    He was interred at the Chapter House of St. Peter of Preaux Abbey in the diocese of Lisieux in Normandy, France.
    Note: it was also recorded that his heart was embalmed in a leaden casket and sent to St John’s Hospital in Brackley, Northamptonshire. The heart was reported lost after the 14th century.

    Note: unless otherwise noted, the primary source of data for Robert de (Meulan) Beaumont here is excerpted from the online book:
    ‘The Beaumonts in History A.D. 850-1840 Chapter II. The Norman Family - The Earls of Leicester“ by Edward T. Beaumont, J.P., privately printed in 1929 in Oxford, England. http://beaumontfamily.com/

    The Beaumont family was of considerable prestige and dignity and Robert was a powerful English and French nobleman, revered as one of the wisest men of his age. Chroniclers spoke highly of his eloquence, his learning and three kings of England valued his counsel.

    He was the eldest son of Roger de Beaumont (Bellomonte), Lord of Beaumont-le-Roger and Pont-Audemar in Normandy, nephew and heir of Hugh, Earl of Mellent, and Adeline de Meulan, heiress of Meulan and daughter of Waleran III, Count de Meulan, and an older brother of Henry de Beaumont (1st Earl of Warwick d. 20 June 1123). At the conquest of England, he remained in Normandy at the head of the council to assist Queen Matilda in the government of that duchy. He was known to have been the wealthiest, noblest and most trusted of the seigneurs of Normandy.

    About Roger de Beaumont from page 13 of the 1951 book ‘Origins of Some Anglo- Norman Families’ by L.C.Loyd:
    “Beaumont, de Bellomonte.
    Beaumont-le-Roger: Eure, arr. Bernay, cant. Beaumont.
    The well-known Roger de Beaumont held Sturminster Marshal, Dorset, in 1086; it descended to the counts of Meulan through Roger’s eldest son, Robert, count of Meulan. That Roger took his name from Beaumont is part of the general history of Normandy. It follows that Roger’s descendants, the counts of Meulan, the earls of Leicester, and the earls of Warwick all derive from Beaumont-le-Roger.”
    The service of Robert de Beaumont at the Battle of Hastings in 1066:
    At age 16, he accompanied his kinsman William the Conqueror to England and on 14 Oct. 1066 was at the Battle of Hastings where he was appointed a leader of infantry on the right wing of the army. William knighted him on the battlefield that day and was he the first member of the Beaumont family recorded in English history. Robert de Bellomonte is named on the Battle Abbey Roll of 1066 of the 629 knights who came with
    the Conqueror . It was recorded that he had intelligence beyond his years and by his bravery contributed very much to the success attained that day. He distinguished himself by being the first man to break through the Saxon stockade. William of Poitou reported: “a certain young soldier, son of Roger de Bellomonte …did what deserveth lasting fame, bolding charging and breaking in on the enemy, with the regiment which he commanded, on the right wing of the army”. Also reported: “specially distinguished amongst them was a party under the command of a youthful Norman warrior, Robert, the son of Roger de Bellomonte” and “He was a brave and skillful soldier his establishment in England was the reward of good service done at one of the most terrible of battles”. Another chronicle of the time reported: “He was a wise and trusty counsellor and one who had in his youth been a valiant knight, for it was he who with inestimable might had broken through the Saxon army at Hastings, which fought around King Harold; and he came of a mighty race, and they were men, who in their own land had reared great and lofty towers so that it was said by the chroniclers of their time, you may know the might of the men by the mightiness of their palaces“.
    He helped to win the epoch making battle on Senlac Hill where Saxon King Harold Godwin was killed.

    Further information regarding his service at the Battle of Hastings from the 1990 book ‘My Ancestors Came With The Conqueror’ by A.J. Camp:
    >> page 10 lists 12 men who were recorded as having been at Hastings with William the Conqueror, one of whom was Robert de Beaumont, afterwards Earl of Leicester.

    >> page 31 from the same book:
    ‘Robert de Beaumont, mentioned by William of Poitiers and Orderic, was undoubtedly at the Battle. He was singled out for praise by William de Poitiers. He was descended from Thorold de Pontaudemer and a sister of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy. He succeeded his father Roger, as Lord of Pontaudemer and Beaumont in Normandy, and his maternal uncle as Count of Meulan in France, and was created Earl of Leicester by Henry I. From his eldest son, Waleran, Count of Meulan, descended several Norman lines, whilst the second son Robert, Earl of Leicester, was grandfather of Robert, 4th Earl of Leicester, who died without issue in 1204. Roger de Beaumont was not himself at the Battle, being left in Normandy as chief advisor of the Duchess Maud.’

    Robert’s service at Hastings earned him more than 91 lordships and manors in England.
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    When his mother died in 1081, he inherited the Mellent and Meulan estates in Normandy and the title of Count of Meulan in Normandy, also the title of Vscount Ivry and Lord of Norton. He did homage to King Philip I of France (from our French royal ancestors) for these estates and sat as a French Peer in the Parliament held at Poissy. He then adopted the Mellent coat of arms which in 1929 were still used by the borough of Leicester.

    At his marriage to Elizabeth de Vermandois in 1096, Meulan was over 35 years her senior, which was an unusual age difference even for that time period.

    The following was recorded of Robert in his career: “He was … a cold and crafty statesman, a great politician and in worldly affairs the wisest man between here and Jerusalem. He was eminent of knowledge, plausible in speech, skillful in craft discreetly provident, a subtle genius, excelling in prudence, profound in counsel and of great wisdom; his mind was enlightened, his eloquence persuasive, his shrewdness acute. He had extensive and noble possessions which are commonly called honors, together with towers and castles, villages and farms, woods and waters, which he acquired by the exercise of the talents mentioned. His domains were not only the largest in England, but also in Normandy and France, so that he was able at will to promote concord between Kings of France and England, also to set them at variance and provoke wars between them”.
    Another chronicler writes: “He was a supporter of justice, the persuader of peace, though in war the insurer of victory, his advice was regarded as though an oracle of God had been consulted, and he could speedily bring about whatever he desired by the powers of his eloquence. He inspired his confreres by his example and the whole nobility of England was emulous to follow him”.
    Another recorder writes: “His political sagacity, persuasive speech and unshaken fidelity had kept him in the wonderful position of prime favourite during two successive reigns”.

    It is evident that he did not serve his King for nought, for it was recorded that he received for his services 64 manors in Warwickshire, 16 in Leicestershire, 7 in Wiltshire and 3 in Northamptonshire, and in the Domesday Book (record of the great survey of England executed by William the Conqueror, completed in 1086) it states that he was one of the chief owners of land in Gloucestershire and Dorsetshire and held the manor of Witestan in Devon.

    Recorded events by date in the career of Robert de Beaumont after the Battle of Hastings:
    In common with his father Roger, he spent a good deal of time at Court. In 1071, he frequently witnessed official documents, including one in that year at le Mans (France) by Count Robert, the eldest son of the King.
    Also, he and his brother Henry witnessed the charter granted by William I (the Conqueror) to the Cluniac Abbey of S. Pancras at Lewes, (Sussex) the largest of that order in England and 2nd largest in Europe.
    The following are events that carry his name on important documents in England and at places under English control in France:
    1073 - he and his brother likewise witnessed a grant to the Abbey of Marmontier.
    1079 - a charter granted by Odo, Bishop of Bayeaux to S. Stephen in Caen (France).
    1080 - the grant of a manor to the monks of Westminster.
    1080 - he and his brother Henry, with Roger Earl of Shrewsbury and Henry of Grentsmesnil endeavoured to reconcile the King with his eldest son Robert.
    12 April 1080 - he with his father and brother were present at a suit head by William I between the Abbey of the Holy Trinity in Rouen, and the Bishop of Evreux, relative to the Isle of Bedane.
    14 July 1080 - father and son witnessed a charter confirming the foundation of the Abbey of Lessay, at Caen.
    1081 - witnessed the charter of the Abbey of Fecamp (Normandy).
    1082 - a charter granted by King William to the Abbey of the Holy Trinity at Caen.
    1085 - other documents on behalf of the Abbey of Fecamp.
    1089 - on the death of King William I he and his brothers espoused the cause of Rufus (William II) and in the latter’s struggle against his elder brother - the Duke of Normandy - the Earl by admitting Rufus to his castle at Meulan in 1096 opened up the road to Paris.
    1090 - a charter granted by Robert Duke of Normandy to S. Mary of Rouen.
    1094 - he acted as one of the judges at Fourarmont in a suit brought by the monks of Saumur against Philip de Braose (de Braose was one of our ancestral families).
    c.1099 - he founded Monks Toft priory in Norfolk and that of S. Pettesbury, Wareham in Dorset.
    c.1100 - he gave some portion of the manor of Wareham to the Benedictine Abbey of Lyra in Normandy.

    Robert de Beaumont was very liberal, giving to the Abbey at Preaux 29 May 1099 (where he lived his last years and was buried), certain lands and tithes in Norfolk and Dorset in order that Masses might be said for the souls of William the Conqueror, his wife Queen Maud, their son William Rufus (King William II), Henry I, his own father and mother, his wife’s, children’s and own soul and for the souls of all his relatives, as well as for all the faithful deceased, he seems in this instance to have obtained a very adequate return for his gift.

    On the death of his father towards the end of the 11th century, he succeeded to the family estates in Maine and at Pont Audemar and thereby became as powerful a vassal in Normandy as he had been up that time in England.

    Robert de Beaumont was Chancellor to King William II (Rufus) and to King Henry I, Privy Councilor in 1100, and a Baron of the Exchequer in Normandy.

    He and his brother Henry were members of the Royal hunting party in the New Forest, when the King (Rufus) received his mysterious death wound, 2nd August 1100, and they accompanied his brother Henry (King Henry I) on his hurried ride to Winchester and London to seize the Crown of England. In the general rising that followed he adhered to Henry and speedily became his most favorite minister, chief counselor and most trusted friend. King Henry I rewarded him with dignities and honors and in 1102-03 created him Earl of Leicester and granted him at the same time the manor of Groby, Leicestershire.

    On the 28th of September 1106, Earl Robert was in command of the second line at the Battle of Tinchebrai /Tinchebray in France when King Henry I fought and captured his troublesome brother Duke Robert of Normandy, who was the rightful king and felt that Henry was the usurper, making himself king while Robert was on Crusade. Duke Robert was brought a prisoner to England and his possessions in Normandy were annexed to the English Crown. (Duke Robert was imprisoned at various castles in England and was eventually blinded by Henry to stop his escape attempts.)

    Ironically, the two husbands of Elizabeth de Vermandois, Robert de Beaumont and William de Warenne, were both commanders for King Henry’s forces at the Battle of Tinchebrai, although Elizabeth was married to Robert at that time and probably had not started her affair with William de Warenne yet.

    It is reported that Robert managed his estates and ruled the borough of Leicester in a very enlightened manner, treating the populace fairly. It was recorded that in 1107 “he rebuilt the Church hard by the Church of S. Mary de Castro - placing therein secular canons - and he made it renowned amongst the churches of the land for splendour and beauty, and he enriched it with many and fair demesnes and all the rest of the days he dwelt in the castle of Leicester, and he ruled therein like a mighty prince”. The Church of S. Marys had been destroyed by William I when he laid siege to the town; a great deal of Robert’s work remains to this day. He also endowed it with 500-600 acres of land.

    Robert also built the castles of Mountsorel and Whitwick, Co. Leicester, and just before his death he gave lands at Watford (Co. Herts or Essex) to the monastery at Bermondsey, now in present-day central London.

    He does not appear to have been very happy in his matrimonial relationships.

    The prior marriages of Robert de Beaumont:
    He married (1st) Emma, daughter of Roger de Breteuil, who died childless.
    He married (2nd) Godechilde de Couches, daughter of Roger de Toeni, Seigneur de Couches, and was divorced from her. In 1096 she married Baldwin, son of Eustace de Boulogne. (Eustace de Boulogne was with Robert de Beaumont at Hastings.)

    Notes on Robert’s very young 3rd wife, Elizabeth, and on young brides of the Middle Ages:
    According to the custom of the Middle Ages, brides were often betrothed young - age 8 being the legal age for betrothal for girls and age 12 for marriage. The betrothed wife would often go to her husband’s castle to be raised by his parents or to her relatives and to learn the customs and ways of her husband’s family. The actual wedding would not take place until much later. Some genealogists speculate that the usual age at which a noble bride would expect the marriage to be consummated would be 14. This is consistent with the date of the birth of Elizabeth’s first child Emma in 1102 when she
    would be about 15 or 17.
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    The adultery of Elizabeth de Vermandois with William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey:
    Elizabeth apparently tired of her aging husband at some point during their marriage and the historian Planche says (1874) that the Countess was seduced by or fell in love with a younger nobleman, William de Warenne (c.1071-11 May 1138) himself the thwarted suitor of Edith of Scotland, Queen consort of Henry I of England, which he quite resented. William’s mother Gundreda was said to want a royal bride for him, and Elizabeth fitted his requirements, even though she was also another man’s wife.

    In 1115 the Countess was apparently carried off or abducted by Warenne, which abduction apparently concealed a long-standing affair. There was some kind of separation or divorce between Meulan and his wife, which however did not permit her to marry her lover.

    In the book “The Beaumonts in History” it states “Towards the end of his life, she (Isabel/Elizabeth) deserted him and attached herself to William de Warenne, second Earl of Surrey, and by him she had one son and two daughters”.

    The Beaumont book also states:
    “At the end of his life he entered the Abbey of S. Peters at Preaux, which had been founded by his father. He died there and was buried in the Chapter House 5th June 1118.
    His heart was enclosed in a leaden casket and sent to S. John’s Hospital, founded by himself, at Brackley, Northants (Northamptonshire). It was kept there up to the 14th century and then lost. He was almost, if not quite, the last of the Barons, then living, who came to England with the Conqueror. He had issue three sons and six daughters”.

    The elderly Count of Meulan died, supposedly of chagrin and mortification in being thus publicly humiliated by his wife, in the Abbey of Preaux, Normandy on 5 June 1118, leaving his properties to his two elder sons whom he had carefully educated.
    And according to Henry of Huntingdon, Robert died of shame after “a certain earl carried off the lady he had espoused, either by some intrigue or by force and stratagem.”
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    Elizabeth’s first marriage with Robert de Beaumont produced 9 children - 3 sons (including twin elder sons) and 6 daughters. Two of their children were our ancestors -
    1. Sir Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester -see files MCA5B # 1, SH1A # 4 & HS2 # 5.
    2. And their daughter Elisabeth (Isabella) de Beaumont, who became one of the youngest mistresses of King Henry I. It is unclear whether her mother’s own life or her eldest brother’s political and personal travails in this period played any part in this decision. Before her mother died, Isabel became the wife of Gilbert de Clare, and later (1147) Earl of Pembroke, so had adopted a more conventional life like her mother . Their son Richard Strongbow de Clare was the Conqueror of Ireland and he was father-in-law of Sir William Marshal.
    For Isabella de Beaumont and her marriage to Gilbert “Strongbow” de Clare, see More 1 # 8 & # 13 following >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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    (2) Elizabeth’s second marriage to William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey.

    Sometime after the death of her first husband, Robert de Beaumont, she married her longtime lover, William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey.

    By William, it is alleged, she already had several children (all born apparently during her marriage to Meulan). She also had at least one daughter born while living out of wedlock with Warenne (1115-1118). It is unclear whether this daughter was Ada de Warenne (our ancestor), wife of Henry of Scotland or Gundrede de Warenne, wife of Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick (her half-brother’s first cousin).

    William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey (also: Hastings files MH1A-1 & MH1G-2)
    He was born c.1071 and died 11 May 1138.
    He was the son of William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey, who had served at the Battle of Hastings, one of 20 whose service there was confirmed.

    From pages 106 and 107 of the 1848 book ‘The Roll of Battle Abbey’ regarding William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey:
    ‘William de Warren, Earl of Warren and Surrey, who m. Elizabeth, dau. Of the great Earl of Vermandois, and widow of Robert, Earl of Mellent, and dying in 1135, left issue, William de Warren, Earl of Warren and Surrey, a crusader, who only dau. and heir, Isabel de Warren m. 1st., William de Blois, Earl of Moreton, natural son of King Stephen, but by him had no issue: and 2ndly, Hameline Plantagenet, (natural brother of Henry II.,) who
    assumed the surname Warren, and became Earl of Surrey. By this Earl, Isabel left at her decease, 1198, a son William Warren (Plantagenet), Earl of Warren and Surrey, who m. twice, and had with a dau. Isabel, who m. Hugh de Albini, Earl of Arundel, but d.s.p., one son, John Warren, Earl of Warren and Surrey, who m. Alice, dau. of Hugh le Brun, Earl of March, and half-sister, by his mother, of Henry III., and had one son and two daus.,
    viz: 1. William, slain at a tournament at Croydon, leaving issue , a son, John, Earl of
    Warren and Surrey, who died s.p. in 1347, and a dau. an eventual heiress, Alice, wife of Edmund Fitz-Alan, Earl of Arundel, ancestor, by her, of the Dukes of Norfolk.’

    After being involved in Robert Curthose’s (King Henry’s brother) abortive 1101 invasion of England and losing his possessions there and being exiled to Normandy, he was finally able to receive his possessions back and was subsequently loyal to Henry. Afterwards, with his loyalty thus proven, he became more prominent at Henry’s court.

    And in 1106, ironically, William was one of the commanders on Henry’s side (against Robert Curthose) at the Battle of Tinchebray, where also his wife‘s first husband (at that time), Robert de Beaumont commanded.

    William fought at the Battle of Bremule in 1119 and was at Henry I’s deathbed in 1135.

    The children of Elizabeth de Vermandois & William de Warenne:
    They had 3 sons and 2 daughters, including a son and daughter that were our ancestors:
    (1) William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey, whose daughter Isabelle de Warenne, Countess of Surrey, married Hamelin Plantagenet, an illegitimate half-brother of King Henry II of England. They were also our ancestors - see file Skepper 3A # 4 &
    Skepper 3B # 2.
    (2) Ada de Warenne (d. c.1178) who married Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon, younger son of King David I of Scotland. See file # More 4 # 11.

    The later life of Elizabeth de Vermandois is not known.

    For more on these persons, see file More 1 # 8:
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    13. Isabella de Beaumont married 1130 Gilbert Strongbow Fitz Gilbert de Clare
    14. Richard Strongbow Fitz Gilbert de Clare married 1171 Aoife of Leinster
    15. Isabel de Clare married 1189 William Marshal 1st Earl of Pembroke
    16. Matilda (Maud) Marshal married c.1225 William de Warenne 6th Earl of Surrey
    17. John de Warenne married 1247 Alice de Lusignan
    18. Eleanor de Warenne married 1268 Henry de Percy Baron of Topcliffe
    19. Henry de Percy 1st Lord married c.1295-1300 Eleanor de Arundel
    20. Henry de Percy 2nd Lord married c.1319-20 Idonea de Clifford
    21. Henry de Percy 3rd Lord married c.1334 Mary of Lancaster
    22. Henry de Percy 4th Lord married 1358 Margaret de Neville
    23. Henry Hotspur de Percy married c.1379 Elizabeth de Mortimer
    24. Elizabeth Percy married c.1404 John Clifford 7th Lord
    25. Thomas Clifford 8th Lord married c.1424 Joan (Jane) Dacre
    26. Maud (Matilda) Clifford married c.1460 Edmund Sutton (Dudley)
    27. Dorothy Sutton (Dudley) married c.1473 Richard Wrottesley
    28. Jane (Joan) Wrottesley married c.1500-10 Richard Cressett
    29. Margaret Cressett married c.1535 Thomas More
    30. Jasper More married 1572 Elizabeth Smale
    31. Katherine More married 1611 Samuel More
    32. Richard More married 1636 Christian Hunter
    33. Susanna More married 1675 Samuel Dutch
    34. Susanna Dutch married 1705 Benjamin Knowlton
    35. Susannah Knowlton married 1739 Josiah Dodge
    36. Josiah Dodge married 1761 Hannah Conant
    37. Mary Dodge married 1784 Cyrus Warner
    38. Miriam Warner married 1825 Foster Ketcham
    39. Milan Ketcham married 1861 Sarah Harper
    40. Ransom E. Ketcham married 1891 Nancy Jane Campbell
    36. Fay S. Ketcham married 1915 Halleck F. Gray
    37. Ruby J. Gray married 1935 Alton H. Rogers
    38. Alton E. Rogers married 1958 Yoshiko Takenaga
    39. Victoria C. Rogers married 1983 Lester L.T. Letoto

    A. Rogers aer437@yahoo.com




    Father: HUGH (NOTES)"THE GREAT" DE CREPI (L) DE BEAUMONT b: BET 1043 AND 1057 in VERMANDOIS, FRANCE
    Mother: ADELLE ADELAIDE (NOTES) COUNTESS (L) VERMANDOIS b: BET 1031 AND 1065 in VALOIS, FRANCE

    Marriage 1 WILLIAM II (NOTES) SURRY DE WARENNE (L) WARREN b: BET 24 JUN 1065 AND 1081 in WARENNE OR LEWES, SUSSEX, ENGLAND
    • Married: BET 1112 AND 1118 in FRANCE
    Children
    1. Has Children WILLIAM III 3RD EARL OF SURREY (L) DE WARENNE b: BET 1081 AND 1119 in LEWES, SUSSEX, ENGLAND OR VERMANDOIS, FRANCE
    2. Has Children ADA ADELINE OR GUNDRED (NOTES) (L) DE WARENNE b: BET 1104 AND 1124 in LEWES, SUSSEX OR HUNTINGDON OR SURRY, SURREY OR WARWICK, WARWICKSHIRE, ENGLAND
    3. Has Children ELLA OR ELA (L) DE WARRENE OR DE WARENNE b: BET 1108 AND 1118
    4. Has Children REGINALD LORD OF WORMGAY WARREN (L) DE WARENNE b: ABT 1120 in VERMANDOIS, NORMANDY, FRANCE
    5. Has Children AGNES (L) ? OR DE WARENNE COUNTESS OF MAR b: BET 1100 AND 1130

    Marriage 2 HENRY I GUNDRED "BEAUCLERC" KING OF (L) ENGLAND b: BET 1060 AND 1070 in SELBY, YORKSHIRE, ENGLAND

      Marriage 3 ROBERT I (NOTES) EARL (L) DE BEAUMONT b: BET 1040 AND 1068 in PONT-AUDEMER OR BEAUMONT-LE-ROGER, NORMANDY, FRANCE
      • Married: 1096 in BEAUMONT-SUR-OISE, NORMANDY, FRANCE
      Children
      1. Has Children ELEANOR (NOTES) BEAUMONT OR (L) DE BEAUMONT b: BET 1100 AND 1115 in LEICESTER, LEICESTERSHIRE, ENGLAND
      2. Has Children ADELINE GUNDREA (NOTE)DEBELLMONT (L) DE BEAUMONT b: BET 1060 AND 1112 in LEICESTER, LEICESTERSHIRE, ENGLAND
      3. Has Children ROBERT BOSSU II (NOTE) LEICESTER (L) DE BEAUMONT b: BET 1092 AND 1104 in BEAUMONT, NORMANDY, FRANCE OR LEICESTER, LEICESTERSHIRE, ENGLAND
      4. Has Children WALERAN COUNT MEULAN LORD (NOTES)(L) DE BEAUMONT b: 1104 in MEULAN OR BEAUMONT, NORMANDY, FRANCE
      5. Has No Children HAVOISE (NOTES) (L) DE BEAUMONT-LE-ROGER b: BET 1110 AND 1129 in LEICESTERSHIRE, ENGLAND
      6. Has Children MAUD AMICE (NOTES) OF EVREUX (L) DE BEAUMONT b: BET 1100 AND 1130 in EVEREUX OR MEULAN, NORMANDY, FRANCE OR LEICESTER, LEICESTERSHIRE, ENGLAND
      7. Has No Children MABEL (NOTES) (L) DE BEAUMONT b: 1118
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