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  • ID: I148919
  • Name: ALICE LESSELINE (NOTE) DE RAMERU (L) DE HARCOURT
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: BET 975 AND 1012 in TURQUEVILLE, NORMANDY, FRANCE
  • ALIA: AKA LESSILINE OR LEZIELINE (NOTES) (L) DE HARCOURT
  • Event: 1 AKA LESCELINE (NOTES) (L) DE TURQUEVILLE
  • Event: 2 AKA LESCELINE LEZIELINE (NOTES) L) DE HARCOURT
  • Event: 3 AKA LESSELINE (NOTES) DE RAMERU (L) DE NEWMARCH
  • Event: 4 AKA LESSELINE (NOTES) (L) DE RAMERU
  • Event: 5 AKA LESSELINE (NOTES) DE RAMERU (L) NEWMARCH
  • Event: 6 AKA LESSELINE (NOTES) (L) D' HARCOURT
  • Event: 7 AKA Lefieltna (Lesceline) (NOTES) (L) d’Harcourt. She was known as Countess Lesceline
  • Event: 8 AKA ALICE LESSELINE (NOTE) DE RAMERU (L) DE ROUCY
  • Event: 9 AKA LESSELINE (NOTES) (L) ?
  • Death: BET 26 JAN 998 AND 26 JAN 1079
  • ALIA: AKA LESCILINE (NOTES) (L) DE TURQUEVILLE HARCOURT
  • Note:
    SOME SOURCES SAY ALICE 'S PARENTS WERE TOURUDE TURCHETIL (NOTES) (L) DE PONTAUDEMER AND ANCELINE OR ADELINE DE MONTFORT OR (L) MONTFORT AND THAT HER FATHER'S BROTHER WAS GUILLAUME (NOTES) HARCOURT (L) D' HARCOURT.

    OTHER POSSIBLE PARENTS ARE SHOWN BELOW BUT THIS INDIVIDUAL IS NOT SHOWN AS A CHILD ON THE FOLLOWING POSSIBLE PARENTS' FAMILY PAGES, TO DO SO WOULD BE CONSIDERED ERRORS BY THIS PROGRAM. EVEN THOUGH THESE LAST POSSIBLE PARENTS MAY BE THE CORRECT ONES, SHOWING MORE THAN ONE SET OF PARENTS COULD CAUSE MY "FAMILY TREE" PROGRAM TO MALFUNCTION.

    OTHER SOURCES SAY HER MOTHER WAS WEVIE OR EVA OR SENFRIE (NOTES) (L) DE CREPON ANOTHER OF HER FATHER TOURUDE'S WIVES.

    STILL OTHER SOURCES SAY HER FATHER WAS GUILLAUME (NOTES) HARCOURT (L) D' HARCOURT (HER FATHER'S BROTHER ABOVE).

    ALSO, SOME SOURCES SAY ALICE WAS THE MOTHER OF ADELA (NOTES) DE BRIONNE OR (L) D' EU AND OF GILBERT OR CRISPIN (NOTES) (L) DE BRIENNE (SHOWN AS HER STEPCHILDREN HERE) AND OF ELSIE HESILIA OR HELISIA (NOTES) (L) CRISPIN (SHOWN AS HER STEP GRANDDAUGHTER HERE) BUT SHE IS NOT SHOWN SO HERE BECAUSE SHOWING MORE THAN ONE SET OF PARENTS COULD CAUSE MY "FAMILY TREE" PROGRAM TO MALFUNCTION.

    THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION WAS RECEIVED FROM Alton Rogers aer437@yahoo.com IN APRIL 2009.

    THE PORTION OF THE INFORMATION HE GAVE ME RELATING TO THIS PERSON IS POSTED BELOW (THE INFORMATION RELATING TO OTHERS IS POSTED ON THEIR INDIVIDUAL PAGES)

    file: More 11

    OUR 11TH TO 15 TH CENTURY ANCESTRY FROM THE BARONY OF CLIFFORD & THE LORDS OF THE HONOUR OF SKIPTON CASTLE

    The Clifford family ancestry was originally from Normandy in France coming to England probably in the 11th century sometime after the arrival of William the Conqueror.

    Skipton Castle is in Craven District, North Yorkshire in Northern England and became the principal seat of the Clifford family whose vast estates made them one of the most powerful lords of North England for over 350 years, active and influential at both the local and national level.

    The primary data for this genealogy was obtained from a chart made many years ago and sent through the kindness of Isabel Warren (semiwar@python.co.uk) - 15 Moorland Terrace, Skipton, North Yorkshire, England in June 2006.

    Dates in this genealogy often refer to the year of the reign of an English monarch - i.e. (7th Henry III).
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    Note 1: The basic data for entries # 6 through # 15a are from the 8th edition of the book “Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700”.
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    Note 2: Persons listed in the Plantagenet Ancestry are noted with page reference numbers indicated by PA # ___ and for the Magna Carta Ancestry by MCA # ___.
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    Note 3: Ancestry before Guillaume de Hiesmes is unproven, so is not listed. Richard I, Duke of Normandy, our ancestor in another line (More 1 # 3) is often listed as Guillaume’s father, but this has not been proven.
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    Guillaume de Hiesmes married: Lefieltna (Lesceline) d’Harcourt.
    She was known as Countess Lesceline.
    She was born before 1000 and died 26 Jan. 1057 and was interred at St. Pierre-sur-Dives Abbey in Normandy (“St. Pierre/Dives”) which she built about 1012. Her father was Turkeil de Turgueville, Seigneur de Turqueville and mother was Adeline de Montfort. Also, she was an aunt of William the Conqueror.

    2. Pons FitzWilliam
    Born: Normandy
    Died: ________
    Married: __________

    3. Pons FitzPons
    Born: c.1034 Normandy
    Died before 1086
    Married: Basilia _______

    4. Richard FitzPons Lord of Cantref Bychan (name also Fitz Ponce)
    Born: c.1080-85
    Died: 1129 possibly Wales.

    Note: Cantref Bychan was a district in medieval southeast Wales. (A cantref was a medieval Welsh land division.)

    He married: Maude FitzWalter of Gloucester (de Pitres)
    Born: c.1081
    (she was also known as Maude de Gloucester)
    Her father was Walter (de Pitres), Fitz Roger (also known as Walter of Gloucester) of Gloucester who died before 1129 and buried at Llanthony Abbey by Berthe ____. Walter’s father was Roger de Pitres, Sheriff of Gloucester.

    Maude’s brother Milo was also our ancestor: Milo of Gloucester (de Pitres) 3rd Earl of Hertford (See file More 9 # 5) died 24 Dec 1143 and was buried at Llanthony Abbey, Monmouthshire, Wales.

    5. Walter FitzRichard FitzPons (Walter de Clifford)
    Baron de Clifford & Lord of Cantref Bychan
    Born: c.1113 possibly Herefordshire
    Died: c.1190 Godstow, Oxfordshire
    Interred: Godstow Abbey, Oxfordshire. It is now ruins. The abbey became famous as the final burial place of the famous beauty “Fair Rosamund Clifford” (d. c.1176), a longtime mistress of Henry II who caused a major scandal when their relationship was found out. She was forced to go to the nunnery at Godstow just before her death. Henry II and the Clifford family paid for her tomb which was in the choir of the convent church with an endowment for it to be tended by nuns.

    In the time of Henry II, he acquired Clifford Castle in Herefordshire with his wife, and assumed the name of Clifford. The castle is now ruins.

    In the mid-12th century, warfare in Wales between the English and Rhys ap Gruffydd, the ruler of the kingdom of Deheubarth in south Wales, forced Walter de Clifford to relinquish the lordship of Cantref Bychan. But in 1157, King Henry II was able to discuss
    peace terms with Rhys ap Gruffydd, which were all to Henry’s benefit. Rhys was stripped of all his possessions apart from Cantref Mawr and the other territories were returned to their Norman lords, including Walter, who reclaimed Cantref Bychan. Then possibly for revenge, Walter invaded Rhy’s lands in Cantref Mawr. Rhys appealed to Henry who did not respond, and Rhys resorted to arms, first capturing Clifford’s castle at Llandovery then seizing Ceredigion. King Henry responded by preparing another Wales invasion, and Rhys submitted without resistance. He was obliged to give hostages (to ensure his good behavior), probably including his son Hywel.

    He married c.1135: Margaret, daughter of Ralph de Toney (Toeni), descended from Walter Fitz-Osborn, Earl of Hereford, who erected Clifford castle in Herefordshire.
    She was born c.1118 at Flamstead, Herefordshire and died in 1185. She was buried at Godstow Abbey, Oxfordshire.

    6. Walter de Clifford - Baron Clifford
    Born: c.1140-50 Clifford Castle, Clifford, Herefordshire
    Died: c.1223 Cavenby, Lincolnshire

    He was Sheriff of Herefordshire in 1199, 1207-8, 1216 (the 1st, 8th, 9th and 17th John); died in 7th Henry III (1223).

    He married c.1185:
    Agnes de Condet (de Cundi/Cundy)
    She was born c.1160 at Cavenby in Lincolnshire.

    Agnes was the only daughter and heiress of Roger de Condet (Cundi/Cundy), Lord Coventry and Lord of Manors of Coventry Glenham, Co. Lincoln and Alice de Cheney.

    7. Roger de Clifford - Baron Clifford
    Born: c.1189 Clifford Castle, Clifford, Herefordshire
    Died: 1232
    Buried: Dore Abbey, Herefordshire. The abbey was founded in 1147 and consecrated in 1282 by Thomas, later Saint Thomas, Cantelupe. It was closed in the Dissolution of the Monastaries in the 16th century. www.doreabbey.org.uk

    He had, as a gift from his father, the Manor of Temedbury/Temetbury (Tenbury), Co. Worcester, and all the services of Standon, Ariston and Westun. Died 16th Henry III (1232).

    Roger de Clifford married (his 1st marriage - her 3rd) c.1210 at Ewyas Harold, Herefordshire:
    Sybille (Sibil/Sybil) de Ewyas
    She was born in 1178 at Ewyas in Herefordshire and died 1 July 1236 at Ewyas Harold in Herefordshire. She was most probably buried at Dore Abbey with her husband.

    Sybille was a daughter and co-heiress of Sir Robert de Ewyas (d‘Ewyas), Lord of Ewyas Harold (d.1198) and Pernel/Petronilla ___.

    She previously married (1) to Robert de Tregoz & (2) to William de Newmarch.

    MCA # 215
    8. Sir Roger de Clifford - Baron Clifford
    Born: c.1210 Tenbury, Worcestershire
    Died: 1285 France
    Buried: Dore Abbey, Herefordshire

    He was of Tenbury in Worcestershire.

    He succeeded his uncle Walter de Clifford and was a staunch adherent of Henry III.

    After the victory at Evesham he was appointed Justice of all the king’s forests south of Trent, and obtained a grant of the Lordship of Kingsbury Co. Warwick, which had been forfeited by Sir Ralph de Bracebridge.

    He was frequently employed against the Welsh.

    He died 14th Edward I and was the last Baron Clifford by tenure.
    Roger de Clifford married (1st) Maud ______. She was buried in the church of St. John the Baptist, Aconbury, Herefordshire. Her last name is unknown, as is her burial date. At her marriage to Roger de Clifford, she was the widow of Hugh de Gournay (d.1239). Information recorded about her at St. John the Baptist: “In a tomb recess c.1300 inside is a coffin lid with an incised floriated cross and inscription of Lombardic letters to Maud de Gerney (sic), wife of Roger Clifford”.

    The Clifford genealogy chart lists as his wife: Countess of Lorain

    9. Sir Roger de Clifford MCA # 215
    Born: c.1242 Clifford Castle, Clifford, Herefordshire
    Died: 6 Nov 1282 (c.11 Edward I). He was drowned while crossing a bridge of floats near the Menai Strait, Anglesey Island, Northern Wales. He died while fighting the Welsh.
    Buried: Shap Abbey, Eden District, Cumbria

    He was lord of Appleby, Brougham, King’s Meaburn, Westmorland, etc., Justice of the Forests south of Trent, in right of his wife who had brought to him Brougham Castle, at Penrith in Westmorland.

    He fought in Wales in 1277.

    Roger de Clifford married shortly after 28 June 1265 at Clifford Castle, Clifford, Herefordshire:
    Isabel de Vipont, Lady of Appleby and Brougham
    She was born c.1251 at Richester, Oxfordshire and died shortly before 14 May 1292.
    She was buried at Shap Abbey in Cumbria.

    She was elder daughter and co-heiress of Robert de Vipont (Norman name-Vieuxpont*) (d. 7 June 1264), Lord of Appleby in Westmorland, Lord and Hereditary Sheriff of Westmorland and his wife Isabel Fitz John, daughter of Sir John Fitz Geoffrey (d.1258) by Isabel le Bigod.

    Vipont at the Battle of Hastings: page 87 of the 1990 book ‘My Ancestors came With the Conqueror’ states that various Battle Abbey records list that Guillaume de Vieuxpont was at the Battle of Hastings.
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    Isabel’s sister Idonea married Roger de Leyburne, and the lands of Robert de Vipont were shared by the two husbands. Idonea afterwards married John de Cromwell, Lord Cromwell and after her death her property in Westmorland devolved upon her great nephew, Robert de Clifford, 1330 (3 Edward III).

    They had one son, Robert, Knt. (1st Lord Clifford).

    PA # 214
    MCA # 216
    10. Sir Robert de Clifford, 1st Lord Clifford, 1st Lord of the Honour of Skipton
    Baron of Appleby, Brougham, etc., Westmorland and hereditary Sheriff of Westmorland.

    Born: about Easter 1276 Clifford Castle, Clifford, Herefordshire
    Died: 24 Jun 1314 - slain at the Battle of Bannockburn, Stirling, central Scotland
    He did leave a will.
    Buried: Shap Abbey, Eden District, Cumbria* (see below)

    Robert de Clifford was the First Lord of the Honour of Skipton, in Craven, North Yorkshire.

    He was one of Edward I’s most distinguished soldiers and administrators and a prominent soldier during the reign of Edward II. He held the office of Marshal of England.

    From his youth, he was a favorite of Edward II and was part of his group which included Edward’s special favorite, Piers de Gaveston.

    He inherited the estates of his grandfather, Roger de Clifford, in 1286; then he obtained through his mother part of the extensive land of the Viponts, and thus became one of the most powerful barons of the age.

    Events in the life of Robert de Clifford:
    1296 - the outbreak of the Anglo-Scottish wars warranted the creation of a military warden to which he was appointed.
    October 1297 - Robert Clifford and two others were appointed as military wardens: (Latin): “capitaneos custodie partium Marche Scotie in comit atibus Cumberland et Westmerland“.
    The Song of Caerlaverock included Robert Clifford, who seems to have been very handsome at age 25: “If I were a young maiden, I would give him my heart and person”.
    29 Dec. 1299 (28th Edward I), to 26 Nov. 1313 (7th Edward II) - he was summoned to Parliament and by writs directed “Roberto de Clifford” as Baron Clifford.
    1300 - he won great renown at the siege of Caerlaverock Castile in Scotland.
    November 1303 - a raid by Lords Segrave and Clifford managed to rout Scots leader William Wallace from Lothian, forcing the guerilla leader to escape into the hills.
    1307 - Robert Clifford and Aymer de Valence (brother to our ancestor, William de Valence), were called to witness Edward I’s last command as he lay dying.
    1307 - Clifford had bought Barnard castle and estates in Warwick from the Crown.
    1308 - his aunt, Idoine de Vipont (wife of John de Cromwell) granted her share of Appleby to him who henceforth held the whole honour.
    1312 - he took part in forces hunting Edward II and his favorite, Piers de Gaveston and besieged Gaveston at Scarborough castle.
    16 Oct. 1313 - he received a pardon for participation in the death of Edward II’s lover, Piers de Gaveston (Peter de Gavaston).
    25 June 1314 (8 Edward II) - he was slain at the battle of Bannockburn, where he was a key commander. After the battle, the corpse of Robert Clifford and of the Earl of Gloucester were taken to the King at Berwick.

    It was reported that before Robert Clifford departed for Scotland where he was killed at Bannockburn, he arranged for lords Percy (our ancestor) and Warwick that they should act as administrators of his property in case he should fall in battle. Clifford had the cautious desire to entrust his estate on behalf of his under-age son with two great friends.

    Robert de Clifford married 13 Nov. 1295 at Clifford Castle, Herefordshire:
    Maud de Clare
    She was born c.1276 in Gloucestershire and died 1 Feb. 1326/7.

    She was a daughter and co-heiress of Sir Thomas de Clare, of Thomond in Connaught, Ireland, by Juliane, daughter of Sir Maurice Fitz Maurice, Justiciar of Ireland.
    Thomas de Clare was the 2nd son of Richard de Clare, 7th Earl of Gloucester, 6th Earl of Hertford and his wife Maude de Lacy - see file Skepper 5 # 8 for son Gilbert.

    In Nov. 1315 Maud was abducted by John le Irish, Keeper of Barnard Castle, while traveling near Bowes Castle, Durham. A force of 40 men-at-arms headed up by Sir William de Montagu was immediately dispatched to her rescue.

    Robert and Maud’s son Robert, 3rd Lord Clifford was our ancestor. (See #11>>>>)
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    Note: Their daughter Idonea de Clifford was also our ancestor - see More 1 #15.
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    * the burial of Robert de Clifford as received from Jean Jackson Chairman of Shap Local History Society. jeanjackson_hermitage@btinternet.com
    In 1898 a book by the then Vicar titled ‘Shappe in Bygone Days’ has an extract from a chapter on the Abbey of St. Mary Magdelene: ‘Next is the presbytery. Immediately on the left is an ambry or cupboard for the service books and sacred vessels. Below is a gravestone, which may be over the body of Robert d Clifford, who fell at Bannockburn.’
    There is no evidence except the incised sword, which indicates that the grave as of one slain in battle. A note under this says ‘On Sunday June 24th 1314, in his 40th year.’
    His body was sent to King Edward at Berwick: there is no certainty of the interment here but it is the most likely place. Another Robert died May 20th 1345 and is probably buried here. Shap Abbey is now a very picturesque ruin.

    Maud afterwards married (2nd) in 1318 (11th Edward II) Robert de Welles.
    She had a dower the third part of the Honour of Skipton, in Craven, viz. the Manor of Holme and certain tenements in Skibden and Seiglesden.

    PA # 214
    MCA # 216
    11. Sir Robert de Clifford, 3rd Lord Clifford, 3rd Lord of the Honour of Skipton
    Baron of Appleby, Westmorland, hereditary Sheriff of Westmorland, younger son of Sir Robert de Clifford, 1st Lord Clifford, Baron of Appleby, Westmorland, by Maud, daughter of Sir Thomas de Clare, of Thomond in Connaught, Ireland.
    He was born 5 Nov. 1305 (23 Edward I).
    He died 20 May 1344 (18 Edward III) Yorkshire.
    Buried: at Shap Abbey, Eden District, Cumbria*
    *(see the note for he and his father in # 10 above)

    Robert de Clifford was heir in 1322 to his older brother, Sir Roger de Clifford, 2nd Lord Clifford.
    He was summoned to Parliament as Baron Clifford from 10 Dec. (1 Edward III) 1327, to
    20 April (17 Edward III) 1343.

    In 1333 he was heir to his great-aunt, Iodine (Idonea) de Vipont, wife successively of Sir Roger de Leyburn and Sir John de Cromwell, Lord Cromwell by which he inherited the other moiety of the Vipont estates. (See note in # 11).

    He served in the Scottish wars.

    Historical note: His brother Roger de Clifford, 2nd Lord of the Honour of Skipton was involved in a rebellion against King Edward II’s favorite Hugh le Despenser (the younger) and ultimately against the King himself. The rebel forces were brought to battle by the King’s forces at Broughbridge in March 1322 at which he received severe wounds. Forced to surrender, he was condemned to death and held captive at York. Reprieved, probably because of his wounds, he survived until 1326. His estates were forfeited, including Skipton Castle. (They were restored to Robert, 3rd Lord of Skipton in 1327.) For his actions, the Clifford lands were seized by the King Edward II. Two parts of his house, called Clifford’s Inn in London, were granted to Robert de Welles, who had married his mother Maud (de Clare) as her 2nd husband, and the Castle and Honour of Skipton was bestowed upon Geoffrey de Scrope.

    In 1331 Robert de Clifford’s lands were restored to him by a general act of restitution, passed in Parliament held 4th Edward III.

    Per the Clifford Barony chart, in 1339 (12 Edward III), the Castle and Manor of Skipton was settled on Robert and Isabel, his wife, for each of their respective lives, with remainder to Robert, his son, and the heirs of his body; remainder to Roger, brother to the said Robert, and the heirs of his body.
    PA # 98-214
    Robert de Clifford married June 1328 at Berkeley Castle in Gloucestershire:
    Isabel, daughter of Sir Maurice de Berkeley, 2nd Lord Berkeley, (see: file Skepper 1 # 5) Baron of Berkeley, Gloucestershire, Warden of Gloucester, Captain of Berwick, Chief Justice of South Wales, Seneschal of Aquitaine, by Eva/Eve la Zouche, daughter of
    Eudes la Zouche, of Harringworth, Northamptonshire.

    She had a thousand pounds and fifty marks for her portion.

    She was born c.1310-15 at Berkeley, Gloucestershire and died 25 July (36 Edward III) 1362-3 at Hartley Castle (a fortified manor house) near Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland.
    She enjoyed the Castle and manor of Skipton during her lifetime and overlived her son Robert.

    Robert and Isabel had three sons, including Roger.

    Before 9 June 1345, Isabel married (2nd) Sir Thomas de Musgrave.

    PA # 72 - 215
    MCA # 216
    12. Sir Roger de Clifford, Lord of Westmoreland, 5th Lord Clifford, 5th Lord of the Honour of Skipton
    Of Appleby, Brough, Brougham, King’s Meaburn, etc.. Westmorland, hereditary Sheriff of Westmorland, Warden of the East and West Marches of Scotland, Sheriff of Cumberland and Governor of Carlisle Castle.

    He was born 10 July 1333 (8 Edward III) Cumberland
    He died testate 13 July 1389 (13 Richard II) at Brough Castle, Cumbria* and was buried at Shap Abbey, Eden District, Cumbria
    * Brough/Brougham Castle was given to Robert de Vieuxpont in 1203.

    He built part of Brougham Castle, which was originally built upon the ruins of an old Roman fort by the Norman Vipont (Vieuxpont) family of Normandy.
    He served in the wars with both Scotland and France and was heir to his older brother, Robert de Clifford, 4th Lord Clifford.

    Events in the life of Roger de Clifford, 5th Lord Clifford
    1345 - he was an heir to his older brother, Robert de Clifford, 4th Lord Clifford.
    1350 - he was present in the sea fight with the Spaniards near Winchelsea, in East Essex.
    He was summoned to Parliament as Baron Clifford from 15 Dec. (31 Edward III) 1357 to 28 July (12 Richard II) 1391.
    1355 - (29 Edward III) he went on the expedition to Gascony and again in 1359 (33 Edward III).
    1356 - he was employed in the defense of the Marches of Scotland.
    He served in the wars with France and Scotland.
    1357 to 1388 - he was summoned to Parliament.
    1363, 1373 and 1376-77 he served as Trier of Petitions in Parliament.
    1366 (40 Edward III) - he obtained license of the King to make a park at Skipton, in Craven, and to enclose there 500 acres of land. He was at Guyenne (Aquitaine) France 10
    Richard II.
    1388 - he accompanied Richard, Earl of Arundel, into Britanny in France.
    13 July 1389 (13 Richard II) - he died at Brough Castle, Cumbria.

    Roger de Clifford married before 20 March 1357: PA # 524 - 70
    Maud (Matilda) de Beauchamp
    She was born c.1340-45 at Warwick Castle, Warwick, Warwickshire and died Jan. or Feb. (4 Henry IV) 1402-03.
    She was buried at St. Mary’s Church, Warwick, Warwickshire. www.saintmaryschurch.co.uk

    Maude de Beauchamp was a daughter of Sir Thomas de Beauchamp, 11th Earl of Warwick, of Elmley Castle, Worcestershire, Hanslope, Buckinghamshire, Flamstead, Hertfordshire, and Warwick, Warwickshire, hereditary Chamberlain of the Exchequer, hereditary Sheriff of Worcestershire, Warden of the Scottish Marches, Marshal of England, Sheriff of Counties Warwick and Leicester, Admiral of the Western Fleet and Joint Ambassador to Scotland, by Katherine de Mortimer, daughter of Sir Roger de Mortimer*, 1st Earl of March, by Joan, daughter and co-heiress of Sir Peter de Geneville (Joinville).

    Maude was a legatee in the 1369 will of both her parents.
    In 1398 she received papal indults in plenary remission and a portable altar.
    In 1400 she was legatee of her brother, Thomas Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick.

    *Sir Roger de Mortimer was one of the most historically important persons in 14th century British history and it is fascinating that this very complex man was our ancestor. See the book “The Greatest Traitor - The Life of Sir Roger de Mortimer Ruler of England 1327-1330” by Ian Mortimer.
    The Mortimers were one of the most important families in British history and Roger de Mortimer (1287-1330) probably stands out among them all.

    Roger started out as a wronged lord under Edward II, having been taken advantage of my the infamous Edward II, Hugh le Despenser the younger (also our ancestor) and gathered forces to rebel against the King and the Despensers. Roger was arrested during this episode, but escaped from the tower of London and went to France. There he met Edward II’s wife, Queen Isabella (also our ancestor as the mother of King Edward III), became her lover (either then or before the Tower of London incident), and together with a mercenary
    army, returned to England and deposed her husband, Edward II and executed the Despensers, younger and elder. Roger took control of England with Isabella at that time as her son, Edward III, was still a minor. But eventually Roger became greedy and was filled with self-importance, among many other failings, which brought his downfall. And after 4 years, Edward III finally found help in arresting Roger and had him executed.

    See: file More 12 # 4 for the details of his life. PA # 523

    Roger de Clifford and Maud Beauchamp had three sons and three daughters, including Thomas.
    PA # 613 - 216
    MCA # 217
    13. Sir Thomas de Clifford, 6th Lord Clifford, 6th Lord of the Honour of Skipton
    He was knight of the chamber, hereditary Sheriff of Westmorland, Governor of Carlisle Castle and Warden of the East Marches.
    He was born 1363-65 (39 Edward III) in Westmorland.
    He died Oct. 4/18 Aug. (15 Richard II) 1391 abroad (in Germany).

    Thomas de Clifford was summoned to Parliament as Baron Clifford from 6 Dec. (13 Richard II) 1389 to Sept. (15 Richard II) 1391.
    He was Governor Carlisle Castle in Cumbria, and favorite of King Richard II.

    Thomas de Clifford married before c.1378/9 (date of settlement):
    Elizabeth de Ros
    She was born c.1365 and died 26 March 1424 (2 Henry IV).
    She was buried at Saint Michael’s Church, Bongate Appleby, Westmorland.
    http://www.visitcumbria.com/churches/appleby-stmichael.htm

    She was a daughter of Sir Thomas de Ros, 4th Lord Ros (Roos) (d.1384) of Hamlake and of Helmsley in Yorkshire, of the castles and manors of Helmsley, Yorkshire and Chilham, Kent; Joint Warden of the West March of Scotland and of the East March, by Beatrice (d.1358), daughter of Sir Ralph de Stafford, 1st Earl of Stafford and Margaret de Audley, daughter of Sir Hugh de Audley.

    Note: The de Ros barony was created in 1264 and was the most ancient baronial title according in the peerage of England.

    They had two children, including John.

    PA # 216
    MCA # 218
    14. Sir John de Clifford 7th Lord Clifford & Westmorland 7th Lord of the Honour of Skipton
    Born: c.1389 Westmorland County
    Died: 13 Mar 1421/2 slain at the siege of Meaux, Seine-et-Marne, France
    Buried: said to have been buried at Bolton Priory, Yorkshire
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolton_Abbey

    He was hereditary Sheriff of Westmorland.
    He built the gate-house at Appleby Castle.

    He was a fine soldier who fought for Henry V in 1415 (2 Henry V) on expedition in France where he took part in the siege of Harfleur and fought at Agincourt in 1415. He also took part in the siege of Cherbourg and received its surrender. He was rewarded for
    his service to the king by being created a Knight of the Order of the Garter.
    He was summoned to Parliament as Baron Clifford from 21 Sept. (12 Henry IV) 1411 to 26 Feb. (8 Henry V) 1421.

    He was killed 13 March 1422 at the siege of Meaux in France, and was buried at Bolton Priory, North Yorkshire.

    John de Clifford married between August 1403 and 5 Nov. 1412, probably in 1404:
    Elizabeth Percy
    She was born c.1390-95 and died 26 Oct. (15 Henry VI) 1436 and was buried at St. Mary’s Church, Staindrop, Durham.
    Close to Staindrop is Raby Castle, the ancient seat of the historic Neville family.

    She was a daughter of Henry Hotspur Percy, Lord Percy (see file More 1 # 18), son and heir of Henry, Earl of Northumberland by Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Edmund de Mortimer, 3rd
    Earl of March.

    They had two sons and two daughters, including Thomas, 8th Lord Clifford.

    His widow Elizabeth married (2nd) between July and Nov. 1426 (4 Henry VI) (contract dated 7 May 1426, license dated 20 July 1426 with dispensation ex post facto dated 28 Nov. 1426) (as his 1st wife) Sir Ralph (Rudolph) Neville, 2nd Earl of Westmoreland (died 3 Nov. 1484), son and heir of John de Neville of Sutton (in Galtres), Yorkshire, by Elizabeth, 5th daughter of Sir Thomas de Holand.

    see file Skepper 1 # 10
    15a. Thomas de Clifford, 8th Lord Clifford & 15b. Maria/Mary de
    Westmorland Clifford
    8th Lord of the Honour of Skipton married Sir Philip
    Hereditary Sheriff of Westmoreland Wentworth
    Born 25 March 1414/1415 (2 Henry V)
    Born ‘die prox. post festum assumptionis B.V.M.’
    Anno 2 Henry V. From him the lords of
    Summoned to Parliament as Baron Clifford from 19 Dec. Wentworth and earls of
    15 Henry VI, 1436, to 20 Jan., 31 Henry VI 1453. Stafford were descended.
    He served in France, and also in England in the civil wars, ----------------------------
    taking part with Henry VI against Richard, Duke of York.
    He was killed in the first battle of St. Albans, fighting on the
    Lancastrian side for King Henry VI 22 May, 1455, (33 Henry VI)
    and was buried in the Lady Chapel of the abbey/monastery there.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Albans_Cathedral

    He built part of Appleby Castle (a predominantly Norman castle)
    and the Chapel in 1454. It is located at Appleby-in-Westmorland.

    Thomas de Clifford married after March 1424:
    Joan (Jane) of Dacre
    She was born c.1405-10 at Naworth Castle, Brampton, Cumberland and died before May 1453.

    Joan of Dacre was a daughter of Sir Thomas, 6th Lord Dacre of Gillesland (1386-1458), Chief Forester of Inglewood Forest, by Philippa, daughter of Ralph de Neville, 1st Earl of Westmorland and Margaret Stafford (d.1396).

    Thomas de Clifford and Joan of Dacre had 9 children, including Maud (see # 16).

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    For more on the following persons, see file More 1 # 21:
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    16. Maud/Matilda de Clifford married c.1450-55 Edmund Sutton (Dudley)
    17. Dorothy Sutton (Dudley) married prob. bef. 1473 Richard Wrottesely, Esq.
    18. Jane (Joan) Wrottesely married c.1500-10 Richard Cressett
    19. Margaret Cressett married c.1535 Thomas More, Esq.
    20. Jasper More, Esq. married 1572 Elizabeth Smale
    21. Katherine More married 1611 Samuel More, Esq.
    22. Richard More married 1636 Christian Hunter
    22. Susanna More married c.1675 Samuel Dutch
    23. Susanna Dutch married 1705 Benjamin Knowlton Sr.
    24. Susannah Knowlton married 1739 Josiah Dodge
    25. Josiah Dodge married 1761 Hannah Conant
    26. Mary Dodge married 1784 Cyrus Warner
    27. Miriam Warner married 1825 Foster Ketcham
    28. Milan Ketcham married 1861 Sarah Harper
    29. Ransom E. Ketcham married 1891 Nancy Jane Campbell
    30. Fay S. Ketcham married 1915 Halleck F. Gray
    31. Ruby J. Gray married 1935 Alton H. Rogers
    32. Alton E. Rogers married 1958 Yoshiko Takenaga
    33. Victoria C. Rogers married 1958 Lester L.T. Letoto

    A. Rogers aer437@yahoo.com




    Father: TOURUDE TURCHETIL (NOTES) (L) DE PONTAUDEMER b: BET 930 AND 976 in NORMANDY OR TURQUEVILLE NEAR CHERBOURG OR PONT-AUDEMER, NORMANDY, FRANCE
    Mother: ANCELINE ADELINE (NOTE) DE MONTFORT (L) MONTFORT b: BET 953 AND 993 in MONTFORT-SUR-RISLE, NORMANDY, FRANCE

    Marriage 1 WILLIAM I (NOTES) EHEIMOUSE (L) D' EVEREAUX b: BET 955 AND 978 in EU, NORMANDY, FRANCE
    • Married: BEF 1014
    Children
    1. Has Children WILLIAM COUNT SOISSONS & EU OF (L) TROYES b: BET 1015 AND 1027 in EU, NORMANDY, FRANCE OR GLOUCESTERSHIRE, ENGLAND
    2. Has Children PONS (L) FITZWILLIAM OF HEISMES b: BET 1011 AND 1034 in ST. PONS, FRANCE
    3. Has Children ROBERT (NOTES) COUNT DE EU BARON (L) CLIFFORD b: ABT 1019 in EU, NORMANDY, FRANCE OR SHENTON. LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND
    4. Has No Children HUGH OF LISIEUX b: ABT 1023
    5. Has Children MARGARET (L) D' EU b: ABT 1032

    Marriage 2 HILDOUIN II III COUNT OF MONTDIDIER (L) DE ROUCY b: BET 960 AND 1000 in MONTDIDIER, FRANCE
      Children
      1. Has Children HILDUIN OR HILDOUIN IV MONTDIDIER (L) DE RAMERU b: BET 998 AND 1021 in MONTDIDIER, FRANCE

      Marriage 3 GODFREY GEOFFREY (NOTES) (L) D' EU & BRIENNE b: BET 953 AND 976 in BRIONNE, NORMANDY, FRANCE
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