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  • ID: I137844
  • Name: Robert De Grantmesnil
  • Given Name: Robert
  • Surname: De Grantmesnil
  • Name: Robert De Grentmesnil
  • Given Name: Robert
  • Surname: De Grentmesnil
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 1052 in Grentemesnil, Calvados, Normandy, France
  • Note:
    Sources for this Information:
    father: [Ref: CP VII p532(h)]
  • Death: 1 Jun 1136 in Leicester, Leicestershire, England 1
  • Note:
    Sources for this Information:
    date: [Ref: ES III.4 #688, ES III.4 #697, ES XIII #103]
  • Burial: St Evroult
  • Note:
    Sources for this Information:
    place: [Ref: ES XIII #103]
  • Event: Ancestral File Number Es:Iii-697
  • _UID: EED1280CB5C54BC1AA4332E2CCB6E327068F
  • Change Date: 7 Oct 2012 at 17:16
  • Note:
    BIBLIOGRAPHY:
    Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant. Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982.

    Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., Domesday People, A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166. Vol I: Domesday Book. Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk: Boydell Press, 1999. NYPL ARF 03-4178 vol 1.

    Phillips, Chris, Ancestry of Petronella de Grandmesnil. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 8/9/1999-111414. Subject: Ancestry of Petronella de Grandmesnil (rather long). Available at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/1999-08/0934193654. Author address: cg dot phillips at ic dot ac dot uk.

    Phillips, Chris, Petronilla de Grandmesnil. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 4/19/1999-105232. Subject: Petronilla de Grandmesnil. Available at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/1999-04/0924515552. Author address: cg dot phillips at ic dot ac dot uk.

    Phillips, Chris, de Stuteville family in the Durham Liber Vitae. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 8/9/1999-112033. Subject: de Stuteville family in the Durham Liber Vitae (rather long). Available at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/1999-08/0934194033. Author address: cg dot phillips at ic dot ac dot uk.

    Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. III.4 (#601-#820): Das Feudale Frankreich und sein Einfluss auf die Welt des Mittelalters. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1989.

    Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. XIII: Les Familles Feodales de France I. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1990.
    RESEARCH NOTES:
    inherited the Norman lands from father [Ref: CP VII p532(h)]

    Nearly all the genealogical evidence about the family derives from the Ecclesiastical History of Orderic Vitalis [4]. This includes an overall survey of the family written (possibly as a later edition to the work) after the death of Robert, the eldest son of Hugh, around 1136. Unfortunately, Roberts heir is not named. However, there is no indication that he died without issue; at any rate, his longevity is contrasted with the fate of his younger brothers: not one of them [the brothers] except Robert lived to old age or enjoyed peaceful prosperity for very long.
    Orderic does mention one grandson of Hugh who was called William. This was the son of Hughs son William, who went to Apulia and married Mabel, daughter of Robert Guiscard. The fullest accounts of the Apulian branch I have seen are those of Chalandon [5] and Jamison [6]. On this evidence, the younger William does not seem a very likely candidate as the father of Petronella. The elder William was dead by 1114 [7]. His initial heir seems to have been the younger William, but he was succeeded by his brother Robert by the late 1120s (apparently by 1127 [5]). Perhaps it could still be argued that an infant daughter of William (Petronella?) might be passed over in favour of his adult brother. But as Petronella married in the mid-to-late 1150s [8], presumably she would have been born around the late 1130s, so that, even given this special pleading, the Apulian William would have died 10-20 years too early to be her father. [Ref: Chris Phillips SGM 8/9/1999-111414]
    His eldest son, Robert, inherited his Normandy lands in the Ouch valle
    (Wikipedia)




    Father: Hugh De Grantmesnil, Baron Of Leicester b: Abt 1025
    Mother: Adeliza Of Beaumont

    Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown
    • Married:
    • Note:
      Sources for this Information:
      child: [Ref: CP IX p43note, CP VII p532(h)]
    • Change Date: 19 Nov 2009
    Children
    1. Has No Children Hugh De Grantmesnil
    2. Has No Children Agnes De Grandmesnil

    Marriage 2 Agnes De Meschines b: 1095 in Bayeux, Normandy, France
    • Married:
    • Note:
      Sources for this Information:
      date: first marriage of Robert [Ref: ES III.4 #697], names: [Ref: CP VII p532(h)]
    • Change Date: 1 Jun 2011

    Marriage 3 Emma De Estouteville
    • Married: 0002
    • Note:
      Sources for this Information:
      date: second marriage of Emma [Ref: ES XIII #103] second marriage of Robert [Ref: ES III.4 #697], names: [Ref: CP VII p532(h), Chris Phillips SGM 8/9/1999-112033], child: [Ref: Chris Phillips SGM 8/9/1999-111414, Keats-Rohan DP p263]
    • Change Date: 3 Dec 2009
    Children
    1. Has No Children William De Grantmesnil
    2. Has Children Beatrix De Rye

    Marriage 4 Lucy Fitz Chaine
    • Married: 0003
    • Note:
      Sources for this Information:
      date: third marriage of Robert [Ref: ES III.4 #697], names: [Ref: CP VII p532(h), ES III.4 #688]
    • Change Date: 3 Dec 2009

    Sources:
    1. Abbrev: Wikipedia
      Title: Wikipedia
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