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  • ID: I14556
  • Name: Fulk (Foulques) D'anjou
  • Given Name: Fulk (Foulques)
  • Surname: D'anjou
  • Suffix: "Le Bon", Count Of Anjou 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33
  • Name: Count Of Anjou
  • Given Name:
  • Surname: Count Of Anjou
  • Name: Fulk II Count D'anjou
  • Given Name: Fulk II Count
  • Surname: D'anjou
  • Name: Foulques II "The Good"
  • Given Name: Foulques II "The
  • Surname: Good"
  • Suffix: Count Of Anjou
  • Name: Foulques II "The Good", Count Of Anjou
  • Given Name: Foulques II "The Good", Count Of Anjou
  • Surname:
  • Name: Fulk II Count D'anjou
  • Given Name: Fulk II Count D'anjou
  • Surname:
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: Abt 909 in Château d'Angers, Maine-et-Loire, Anjou, France 34 5 12 8 20 11 22 13 26 15 28 17 30 19 31 21 32 23 33 25 27
  • Note:
    Sources for this Information:
    date: abt 905/10 [Ref: Settipani Anjou p265], parents: [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p139], father: [Ref: Settipani Anjou p220]
  • Death: 11 Nov 958 in Centre, France 35 36 24 34 5 37 8 11 13 15 17 19 21 23 25 27
  • Note:
    Sources for this Information:
    date: (970) [Ref: ES III.1 #116] 966/85 [Ref: Settipani Anjou p265] abt 970 [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p139]
  • Burial: St. Martin, Tours, France 38
  • Event: Alt. Death 11 Nov 958
  • Note: Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Touraine, France
  • Occupation:
  • Note: Comte d'Anjou (941) 34
  • Event: Alt. Birth Alt. Birth Abt 909 10
  • Event: Alt. Death Alt. Death 11 Nov 958 10
  • _UID: 104D1E861B70463CBDF33C7282DC63174489
  • Change Date: 5 Mar 2013 at 11:51
  • Note:
    Fulk II of Anjou, son of Fulk the Red, was count of Anjou from 941 to 95 8. He was often at war with the Bretons. He seems to have been a man of cu lture, a poet and an artist. In 958 he was succeeded by Geoffrey Greymantl e.
    [jweber.ged]

    The following was given in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com:

    ID: I00387 Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte d' Anjou
    (son) Foulques Seigneur de Briole b: ABT 941 in Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France

    In addition to Weis AR7, other sources for this individual are:
    ES III:116
    ES XIV:116
    Leo van de Pas' Genealogics: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020237&tree=LEO
    Miroslav Marek (Genealogy.eu) = ES sourced
    Moriarty Plantagenet p4
    Paget p139
    Paul Theroff database
    Roglo database
    Tapsell p203]
    Tompsett (Hull database)
    Turton p6, 180 etc,
    Watney #9

    I have been following with interest your Beauvau > Briole line. I cannot confirm nor debunk the line up to Foulque II "le Bon", 3rd Comte de Anjou & Gerberge de Gâtinais, but at that point there is a problem. I'm afraid no son of this couple named Foulques Seigneur de Briole is given in any of these sources. I found the connection on several websites but they are all unsourced. Sebastian Tuszynski 25 Jul 2000 msg to SGM, Subject: "A few French question", asked about this filiation (& numerous others). Unfortunately the only response did not address this particular question. Note when researching this on the net, apparently Briolé is Briollay at many websites & on WorldConnect.

    This filiation, without any reliable source to confirm it, appears to be an invention. I would love to hear from anyone reading this post-em who is willing provide any sourced info pro or con.

    Jim, as an active member, perhaps another query to SGM will get a response this time.

    A little (not much) more on Foulque/Fulk:

    Fulk II, Comte d'Anjou [Ref: Turton p6]
    Count of Anjou [Ref: Weis AR7 118:20, Weis MC5 53:21]
    941-958: Count of Anjou [Ref: Tapsell p203]
    940-962 (or 942-960): 3rd Count of Anjou, [Ref: McBride: Vol I File 9: The Paternal Ancestry of Homer Beers James]

    ..and under his successor, Fulk II the Good, the destruction caused by the preceding wars was repaired. [Ref: Ency Britannica]

    According to legend, he was learned and saintly, dressed as a cleric and said of Louis IV, King of France, who had mocked his piety, 'an illiterate king is a crowned ass'. [Ref: Leo van de Pas' Genealogics citing: Paget] Note: "a man of wit, but perhaps lacking in tact - Louis IV was not the fool his father, Charles III "the Simple", has been profiled to have been" Curt

    Alas, I no longer have access to a terrific source which may/may not have more to say about Foulques II: "Fragmentum historieae Andegavensis" (Fragments of a History of the Counts of Anjou) From 'Chroniques des comtes d'Anjou et des seigneurs d'Amboise' by Count Fulk le Rechin 1096 (Louis Kalpen and Rene Poupardin), 1913, Paris. Should you find access to the UCLA library which probably has it, you will find this source that may have more to say about Foulques II. If memory serves me right Fulk "le Rechin" wrote many things modern scholars dispute, but he was at least contemporary, though obviously, he may have embellished a thing or two about his ancestry.

    Regards,
    Curt
    The following was given in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com:

    ID: I00387 Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte d' Anjou
    (son) Foulques Seigneur de Briole b: ABT 941 in Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France

    In addition to Weis AR7, other sources for this individual are:
    ES III:116
    ES XIV:116
    Leo van de Pas' Genealogics: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020237&tree=LEO
    Miroslav Marek (Genealogy.eu) = ES sourced
    Moriarty Plantagenet p4
    Paget p139
    Paul Theroff database
    Roglo database
    Tapsell p203]
    Tompsett (Hull database)
    Turton p6, 180 etc,
    Watney #9


    Fulk II of Anjou, son of Fulk the Red, was count of Anjou from 941 to 958. He was often at war with the Bretons. He seems to have been a man of culture, a poet and an artist. In 958 he was succeeded by Geoffrey Greymantle.

    -------------------------------------------
    KNOWN AS "THE GOOD"; COUNT OF ANJOU

    The following was given in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

    ID: I00387 Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte d' Anjou
    (son) Foulques Seigneur de Briole b: ABT 941 in Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France

    In addition to Weis AR7, other sources for this individual are:
    ES III:116
    ES XIV:116
    Leo van de Pas' Genealogics: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020237&tree=LEO
    Miroslav Marek (Genealogy.eu) = ES sourced
    Moriarty Plantagenet p4
    Paget p139
    Paul Theroff database
    Roglo database
    Tapsell p203]
    Tompsett (Hull database)
    Turton p6, 180 etc,
    Watney #9

    Fulk II (The Good), Count ofAnjou. He became the Count on the death of his elder brother.

    Count of Anjou




    Father: Foulques I 'Le Roux' Comte D'anjou b: Abt 870 in Château d'Angers, Maine-et-Loire, Anjou, France
    Mother: Rosalie (Roscille) De De Loches b: Abt 882 in Loches, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine

    Marriage 1 Gerberga De Gatinais b: Abt 917 in Gâtinais, Loiret, Orleans, France
    • Married: 2 Mar 937 in 1st Wife 39 14 5 16 40
    • Note:
      Sources for this Information:
      date: [Ref: ES III.1 #116], names: [Ref: Settipani Anjou p265], child: [Ref: ES III.1 #116, Moriarty Plantagenet p4, Paget HRHCharles p139, Settipani Anjou p247, Watney WALLOP #9, Weis AR7 #118]
      Sources with Inaccurate Information:
      child: Adele (#19751) wife of Walter Count of Amiens Valois and Vexin [Ref: Settipani Anjou p225]
    • Event: Alt. Marriage 937
    • Change Date: 5 Mar 2013
    Children
    1. Has Children Geoffrey I Grisgonelle D'anjou b: 11 Nov 938 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France c: in France - Aka Geoffroi Of Gatinais
    2. Has No Children Guy Bishop Of Puy
    3. Has No Children Drogo Bishop Of Puy
    4. Has No Children Guy De Anjou b: Abt 932 in Anjou, France
    5. Has Children Bouchard I De Vendome b: Abt 939 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France
    6. Has No Children Humbert
    7. Has Children Agnes D'anjou b: Abt 940 in Pays-DE-La-Loire, France
    8. Has No Children Foulques Seigneur De Briole b: Abt 941 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France
    9. Has No Children Aelips D'anjou b: Abt 936 in Anjou, France
    10. Has Children Arsinde D'anjou b: Abt 948 in Chateau D'angers, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou, France
    11. Has Children Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' Anjou b: Abt 942 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France
    12. Has No Children Blanca Or Adelaide De Anjou b: 948

    Marriage 2 Judith b: Abt 920 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France
    • Married: Aft 952 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife 5 8 21 23 25 27
    • Change Date: 11 Dec 2012

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