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  • ID: I21247
  • Name: Elen Verch Llywelyn
  • Given Name: Elen
  • Surname: Verch Llywelyn
  • Suffix: Of North Wales 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
  • Name: Helen Verch Llywelyn Of North Wales
  • Given Name: Helen Verch Llywelyn
  • Surname: Of North Wales
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: 1230-1234 9
  • Death: Y
  • _UID: 1B995C9D40964B20B57FACB4FF1D46634717
  • Change Date: 1 Jan 2013 at 12:38
  • Note: Only reputed to be Llywelyn's daughter.



    Marriage 1 Donald De Mar Earl Of Mar
    • Married: Abt 1275 10 11 12
    • Change Date: 29 Dec 2012
    Children
    1. Has No Children Margaret De Mar
    2. Has No Children Garnait De Mar Earl Of Mar
    3. Has No Children Isobel De Mar b: Abt 1276

    Sources:
    1. Abbrev: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America bef 1760
      Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America bef 1760
      Author: Frederick Lewis Weis
      Publication: 7th ed Genealogical Publishing, Baltimore 1992
      Note:
      Same ref source as earlier ed, "Ancestral Roots of 60 Colonists who Came to New England 1623-1650" ed 1-6
      good to very good
      Repository:
        Name: Not Given (See Notes)
        Note:
        J.H. Garner

      Page: 252-30 (7th ed)
      Quality: 3
      Text: daughter of Llywelyn, Prince of N. Wales.
    2. Abbrev: soc.genealogy.medieval
      Title: soc.genealogy.medieval
      Repository:
        Name: Not Given

      Page: Karen L. Austin
      Quality: 3
    3. Abbrev: Complete Peerage
      Title: Complete Peerage
      Author: G.E. Cockayne
      Publication: St. Catherine Press, 29 Great Queen St, Kingsway, W.C. 1959
      Note:
      excellent
      Repository:
        Name: Not Given (See Notes)
        Note:
        Mid-Continent Library Genealogy Reference section, Independence, MO

      Page: VIII:403, V:373
      Quality: 3
      Text: Daughter of Llywelyn prince of North Wales and cites Fordun as its source, daughter of Llywelyn Prince of Wales.
    4. Abbrev: Borthwick, Richard
      Title: Borthwick, Richard
      Repository:
        Name: Not Given (See Notes)
        Note:
        contributor to soc.genealogy.medieval rgbor@CYLLENE.UWA.EDU.AU

      Text: I have not come accross any Welsh source which notes her, but I did see a suggestion (where I cannot now recall) that Helen was the illegitimate daughter of Llywelyn ap Gruffydd ap Llywelyn Mawr (d.12 82) prince of North Wales; however, based on son Colban being b. abt 1246/50, believes her b to be abt 1230/34 or earlier, making Llywelyn ap Gruffydd unlikely as her father.
    5. Abbrev: University of Hull Royal Database (England)
      Title: University of Hull Royal Database (England)
      Author: Brian Tompsett, Dept of Computer Science
      Publication: copyright 1994, 1995, 1996
      Note:
      usually reliable but sometimes includes hypothetical lines, mythological figures, etc
      Repository:
        Name: Not Given (See Notes)
        Note:
        WWW, University of Hull, Hull, UK HU6 7RX bct@tardis.ed.ac.uk

      Text: d of Llywelyn the Great & Tangwystl Goch "only reputed to be Llywelyn's daughter."
    6. Abbrev: Ahnentafel for Margery Arundell
      Title: Ahnentafel for Margery Arundell
      Author: Marlyn Lewis
      Publication: 08 Oct 1997
      Repository:
        Name: Not Given

      Text: Helen of North Wales, d of Llywelyn the Last Prince of Wales & Eleanor de Montfort
    7. Abbrev: Mann Database
      Title: Mann Database
      Author: Ed Mann
      Note:
      Contributor on soc.genealogy.medieval
      Repository:
        Name: Not Given (See Notes)
        Note:
        edmann@commnections.com

      Text: d of Llywelyn the Great & Tangwystl Goch
    8. Abbrev: Magna Charta Sureties, 1215
      Title: Magna Charta Sureties, 1215
      Author: Frederick Lewis Weis
      Publication: 4th ed, Genealogical Publishing, Baltimore
      Repository:
        Name: Not Given (See Notes)
        Note:
        J.H. Garner

      Page: line 41 p 43, line 41B p 45
      Quality: 3
      Text: illegitmate d of Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales, no mother
    9. Abbrev: Borthwick, Richard
      Title: Borthwick, Richard
      Repository:
        Name: Not Given (See Notes)
        Note:
        contributor to soc.genealogy.medieval rgbor@CYLLENE.UWA.EDU.AU

      Text: Based on son Colban being b. abt 1246/50, believes her b to be abt 1230/34 or earlier.
    10. Abbrev: soc.genealogy.medieval
      Title: soc.genealogy.medieval
      Repository:
        Name: Not Given

      Page: Karen L. Austin
    11. Abbrev: University of Hull Royal Database (England)
      Title: University of Hull Royal Database (England)
      Author: Brian Tompsett, Dept of Computer Science
      Publication: copyright 1994, 1995, 1996
      Note:
      usually reliable but sometimes includes hypothetical lines, mythological figures, etc
      Repository:
        Name: Not Given (See Notes)
        Note:
        WWW, University of Hull, Hull, UK HU6 7RX bct@tardis.ed.ac.uk

      Text: no date
    12. Abbrev: Magna Charta Sureties, 1215
      Title: Magna Charta Sureties, 1215
      Author: Frederick Lewis Weis
      Publication: 4th ed, Genealogical Publishing, Baltimore
      Repository:
        Name: Not Given (See Notes)
        Note:
        J.H. Garner

      Page: line 41 p 43, line 41B p 45
      Text: no date, her 2nd m
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