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  • ID: I27546
  • Name: Alice Eleanor Holland
  • Given Name: Alice Eleanor
  • Surname: Holland
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: 1376 in Upholland, Lanc, England
  • Note:
    Sources for this Information:
    date: abt 1373 [Ref: D. Spencer Hines SGM 4/26/1997-090151] first daughter [Ref: CP IV p326], parents: [Ref: CP III p161, D. Spencer Hines SGM 4/26/1997-090151, Paget HRHCharles p21, Paget HRHCharles p84, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p236, Wagner PedigreeProgress #50, Watney WALLOP #533, Weis AR7 #47D, Weis MC #94], father: [Ref: CP II p494, CP IV p326, HoP 1386-1421 v4p620, Louda RoyalFamEurope #5, Watney WALLOP #709, Weis AR7 #225]
    Sources with Inaccurate Information:
    parents: Thomas HOLAND 1st Earl of Kent d.1360 (#13322) & Joan of Woodstock 1328-1385 (#13323) [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p476]
  • Death: 18 Oct 1405
  • Note:
    Sources for this Information:
    date: [Ref: CP III p161, Watney WALLOP #533, Watney WALLOP #709, Weis MC #161] 1405 [Ref: Louda RoyalFamEurope #5, Thompson CharlesII #1139, Wagner PedigreeProgress #47, Wagner PedigreeProgress #50] 18 Oct 1405 [Ref: D. Spencer Hines SGM 4/26/1997-090151] 6 or 18 Oct 1405 [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p21, Paget HRHCharles p84, Weis AR7 #47D] Oct 1405 [Ref: Weis AR7 #225]
  • Event: Ancestral File Number AR:47D-33
  • _UID: C08F3A20AC1447939D5FEBC168159937381A
  • Change Date: 31 Jan 2013 at 19:56
  • Note:
    RESEARCH NOTES:
    two daughters named Eleanor [Ref: Weis AR7 #78]

    coheir of her uncle Edmund Holand, Earl of Kent (d.1408) [Ref: HoP 1386-1421 v4p620]

    daughter, and (in her issue) coheir of Thomas (de Holand), Earl of Kent [Ref: CP III p161 (with corr in XIV p169)]

    Eleanor (Holand) de Mortimer, d. Oct 1405, (sister of, not same as Eleanor [who married Thomas de Montagu]), eldest daughter of Thomas de Holand, 2nd Earl of Kent. [Magna Charta Sureties, line 30-8]

    When referring to the Eleanor who married Thomas de Montagu 23 May 1399, in line 94-9, Magna Charta Sureties states, "Eleanor de Holand, 4th daughter, sister (not the same Eleanor) of the Eleanor who married Edward Cherlton."

    Thus there are two Eleanors in the same family. This is the elder one who married (1) Roger de Mortimer and (2) Edward Cherlton.

    He [Roger de Mortimer] married, circa 1388, Eleanor, daughter and in her issue coheir of his guardian, Thomas (DE HOLAND), EARL OF KENT. He died 20 July 1398, being slain at Kells by O'Brien's men.[m] His body was brought to England for burial at Wigmore. Dower was assigned to his widow 29 November 1398. She married, in June 1399, Edward (CHERLETON), LORD CHERLETON, feudal lord of Powys. She died 6 (or 18) October 1405. [Complete Peerage VIII:448-50,




    Father: Thomas (2Nd Earl Of Kent-3Rd Baron Holland) Holland b: 1354 in Upholland, Lancashire, England
    Mother: Alice Fitzalan b: Abt 1352 in Arundel Castle, Arundel, West Sussex, England

    Marriage 1 Roger De Mortimer b: 11 Apr 1374 in Usk, Monmouthshire, Wales
    • Married: 7 Oct 1388
    • Note:
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    • Change Date: 13 Sep 2011
    Children
    1. Has No Children Edmund Mortimer, Earl Of March b: 6 Nov 1391 in New Forest
    2. Has Children Anne De Mortimer b: 27 Dec 1390
    3. Has No Children Roger Mortimer b: 4 Mar 1393
    4. Has No Children Eleanor Mortimer b: Abt 1395

    Marriage 2 Edward Cherleton b: Abt 1371 in Upper Powys, Montgomeryshire, Wales
    • Married: Aft 19 Jun 1399
    • Note:
      Sources for this Information:
      date: 1399 [Ref: Weis AR7 #225] Jun 1399 [Ref: Weis AR7 #47D] Jun 1399 after19 Jun [Ref: CP III p161] first marriage of Edward [Ref: HoP 1386-1421v4p620], child: [Ref: CP III p162(b), HoP 1386-1421 v4p620, Roberts USPresp180, Weis AR7 #47D]
      Sources with Inaccurate Information:
      names: Sir Edward CHARLETON & Anne de MORTIMER dau Roger de MORTIMER andEleanor de HOLAND [Ref: Weis AR7 #225]
    • Change Date: 13 Oct 2012
    Children
    1. Has Children Joan Cherleton b: Abt 1400
    2. Has Children Joyce Cherleton b: Abt 1403 in Upper Powys, Montgomeryshire, Wales
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