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  • ID: I28346
  • Name: Margaret Tudor
  • Given Name: Margaret
  • Surname: Tudor 1 2 3 4 5
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: 29 Nov 1489 in Palace, Westminster 1
  • Note:
    Sources for this Information:
    date: [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p102, Paget HRHCharles p200, Paget HRHCharles p31] 1489 [Ref: Thompson CharlesII #35] 28 Nov 1489 [Ref: CP I p158, David Utzinger SGM 2/6/1998-172354, Paget HRHCharles p162] 29.XI 1489 [Ref: ES II #87, ES II #94], place: [Ref: David Utzinger SGM 2/6/1998-172354, Paget HRHCharles p162, Paget HRHCharles p31], parents: [Ref: ES II #87, Paget HRHCharles p102, Paget HRHCharles p162, Paget HRHCharles p200, Paget HRHCharles p31, Thompson CharlesII #35], father: [Ref: ES II #94, Weis AR7 #252]
  • Death: 18 Oct 1541 in Drummond Castle, Muthill, Perth, Scotland 1 2 3
  • Note: Poisoned
  • Burial: Abbey, St. John's, Perth
  • Note:
    Sources for this Information:
    place: [Ref: David Utzinger SGM 2/6/1998-172354]
  • Event: Completed Complete
  • _UID: A8F55FB6401E4EEF88E0DD3F9E6CA682035B
  • Change Date: 19 Feb 2013 at 11:48
  • Note:

    RESEARCH NOTES:
    guardian for her son James V [Ref: David Utzinger SGM 2/6/1998-172354]

    always an ally of her brother Henry VIII, even at the expense and welfare of Scotland [Ref: David Utzinger SGM 2/6/1998-172354]
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    Margaret Drummond (c. 1475 - 1502) was a daughter of John Drummond, 1st Lord Drummond and a mistress of King James IV of Scotland. She was a great-great-great-great-niece of the Margaret Drummond who was King David II's second queen.

    Her untimely death has been the subject of a very persistent romantic legend.

    Circumstances of death

    She was the definitely the mistress of James IV for much of 1496, and possibly from 1495 to 1497. There are records from 1496 which refer to her living in the royal castles at Stirling and Linlithgow. They had a daughter, Margaret. However, the king had several mistresses in his time, this relationship seems to have been shorter than those with either Marion Boyd or Janet Kennedy.

    It is definitely known that in 1502 she died of food poisoning, along with her sisters Eupheme and Sibylla, while staying with her parents. As a general rule, claims of poisoning made in relation to a historical figure who died after a sudden illness should be treated with caution, but in this case, with three people who presumably died shortly after eating the same meal, the contemporary judgement should be accepted. The three sisters are buried together in Dunblane Cathedral. This did not cause a great deal of suspicion at the time; standards of food hygiene are unlikely to have been very good then, and cases of accidental food poisoning have happened in any period.

    After her death the king paid for masses to be said for her soul, and continued to support their daughter.

    Murder theories

    It has been widely suggested in more recent years that Margaret Drummond was murdered, either by English agents or by pro-English elements in the Scottish nobility. Many believe that James IV was planning to or had already secretly married Drummond, and her death was necessary in order to allow or force the King to marry the English princess Margaret Tudor, daughter of Henry VII of England and Elizabeth of York. The "Marriage of the Rose and Thistle", as the poet William Dunbar described it, brought about the Union of the Crowns exactly 100 years later, as it enabled their great-grandson James VI of Scotland to claim the English throne upon the death of Elizabeth I through his descent from Henry VII.

    Had James IV married Margaret Drummond instead of Margaret Tudor, the Union of the Crowns might never have taken place and Scotland might have remained an independent country. This idea has been the theme of numerous historical novels and popular histories.

    Serious historians are skeptical of the theory. It is not supported by the contemporary evidence, and originates in a history of the Drummond family written by Viscount Strathallan in 1681. Her death was probably a case of accidental food poisoning, a common cause of death at that time. The idea that James had to be pressured to marry Margaret Tudor is dubious. As Scotland was the less important and poorer country, it is more likely that James IV pressured Henry VII to give him his daughter. It is also clear that negotiations for the marriage had been taking place for some time before Margaret Drummond died.

    References

    * Norman MacDougall James the Fourth




    Father: Henry VII Tudor, King Of England b: 28 Jan 1457 in Pembroke Castle, Wales
    Mother: Elizabeth Plantagenet b: 11 Feb 1465 in Westminster

    Marriage 1 James IV Stewart b: 17 Mar 1473 in Stirling Castle
    • Married: 8 Aug 1503 in Holyrood House, Edinburgh
    • Note:
      Sources for this Information:
      date: [Ref: David Utzinger SGM 2/6/1998-172354, ES II #87, ES II #94, Paget HRHCharles p102, Paget HRHCharles p162, Paget HRHCharles p200, Paget HRHCharles p31] disp granted by Pope Alexander VI 28 Jul 1500, m 8 Aug 1503 [Ref: Weis AR7 #252], place: [Ref: David Utzinger SGM 2/6/1998-172354, Paget HRHCharles p31], names: [Ref: Roberts RD600 p84, Thompson CharlesII #36], child: [Ref: CP XI p210, David Utzinger SGM 2/6/1998-172354, ES II #94, Paget HRHCharles p162, Paget HRHCharles p31, Thompson CharlesII #18, Weis AR7 #252]
    • Change Date: 18 Feb 2013
    Children
    1. Has No Children James Stewart b: 21 Feb 1506-1507
    2. Has No Children Margaret (Jane) Stewart b: Abt 1497 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
    3. Has No Children ? b: 1508
    4. Has Children James V King Of Scotland And England b: 15 Apr 1512 in Linlithgow
    5. Has No Children Arthur Stewart, Duke Of Rothesay b: 20 Oct 1509
    6. Has No Children ? b: 1512
    7. Has No Children Alexander

    Marriage 2 Archibald Douglas, Earl Of Angus b: Abt 1490
    • Married: 6 Aug 1514 in Kinsale
    • Note:
      Sources for this Information:
      date: [Ref: CP I p157, David Utzinger SGM 2/6/1998-172354, Paget HRHCharles p162] 4 Aug 1514 [Ref: ES II #87, ES II #94, Paget HRHCharles p102, Paget HRHCharles p31] Aug 1514 [Ref: Weis AR7 #252], place: [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p162] Kinnoull [Ref: David Utzinger SGM 2/6/1998-172354, Paget HRHCharles p31], divorced: 11 Mar 1527 [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p31] 11 Mar 1527/8 [Ref: CP I p157 (with corr in XIV p26)] 11.III 1527 [Ref: ES II #87, ES II #94] 1526 [Ref: Weis AR7 #252], names: [Ref: Thompson CharlesII #34], child: [Ref: Thompson CharlesII #17]
    • Change Date: 15 Oct 2012
    Children
    1. Has Children Margaret Douglas b: 7 Oct 1515 in Castle, Harbottle, Northumberland

    Marriage 3 Henry Stewart b: Abt 1495
    • Married: Mar 1528
    • Note:
      Sources for this Information:
      date: [Ref: ES II #87, ES II #94, Paget HRHCharles p162, Paget HRHCharles p31] 1526 [Ref: Weis AR7 #252]
    • Change Date: 13 Oct 2012

    Sources:
    1. Abbrev: OneWorldTree
      Title: OneWorldTree
      Author: Ancestry.com
      Publication: Name: The Generations Network, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA;
      Repository:
        Name: www.ancestry.com

      Page: Database online.
      Quality: 3
      Text: Record for James King Scotland
    2. Abbrev: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 8th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 2004
      Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 8th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 2004
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      Quality: 3
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      Title: Stirnet.com
      Author: Peter Barns-Graham, Chairman
      Publication: Location: http://www.stirnet.com;
      Page: Drummond01, Stewart20
      Quality: 3
    4. Abbrev: The Scots Peerage: Founded on Wood's Edition of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland, Containing an Historical and Genealogical Account of the Nobility of that Kingdom, with Armorial Illustrations
      Title: The Scots Peerage: Founded on Wood's Edition of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland, Containing an Historical and Genealogical Account of the Nobility of that Kingdom, with Armorial Illustrations
      Author: Paul , Sir James Balfour
      Publication: Name: D. Douglas, 9 volumes; Location: Edinburgh; Date: 1904-1914;
      Repository:
        Name: Family History Library (FHL)
        35 North West Temple Street/Salt Lake City, Utah 8

      Page: I:22; IV:532; VI:44
      Quality: 3
    5. Abbrev: The Magna Charta sureties, 1215 : the barons named in the Magna Charta, 1215, and some of their descendants who settled in America during the early colonial years, 5th Edition
      Title: The Magna Charta sureties, 1215 : the barons named in the Magna Charta, 1215, and some of their descendants who settled in America during the early colonial years, 5th Edition
      Author: Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr
      Publication: Name: Genealogical Publishing Company; Location: Baltimore; Date: 2004;
      Repository:
        Name: Family History Library (FHL)
        35 North West Temple Street/Salt Lake City, Utah 8

      Page: 92-13; 92A-14
      Quality: 3
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