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  • ID: I62690
  • Name: Robert De Quincy, Lord Of Ware
  • Given Name: Robert
  • Surname: De Quincy, Lord Of Ware
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 1172 in Winchester (Buckley), Hampshire
  • Note:
    Sources for this Information:
    date: before 1200 [Ref: Reitwiesner Joan p84] younger brother, second Robert [Ref: CP XII/2 p751(e)] youngest son [Ref: CP III p170], parents: [Ref: CP XII/2 p751(e), ES III.4 #708, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p129, Reitwiesner Joan p84, Watney WALLOP #821, Weis MC #107], father: [Ref: CP III p170, CP VII p676 (with corr in XIV p436), Sanders Baronies p18(5)]
  • Death: 1219 in Holy Land, Asia Minor
  • Note:
    Sources for this Information:
    date: [Ref: CP III p170, ES III.4 #708, Reitwiesner Joan p84, Watney WALLOP #613] 1257 [Ref: CP XII/2 p751(e), Redlich CharlemagneDesc p129, Watney WALLOP #230, Watney WALLOP #821, Weis MC #107], place: [Ref: Weis MC #107]
    Sources with Inaccurate Information:
    date: 1217 [Ref: Sanders Baronies p18, Sanders Baronies p33] before 1232 [Ref: CP VII p676 (with corr in XIV p436)]
  • Event: Info 6
  • Note: "Royal and Noble Genealogical Data on the Web" by Brian Tompsett at http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal03654
  • _UID: 092956CC9BAB4CBBAE5D7438C18AFC0CABA0
  • Change Date: 29 Dec 2012 at 12:44
  • Note:

    RESEARCH NOTES:
    Lord of Ware [Ref: Reitwiesner Joan p84, Paget HRHCharles p75]

    son and heir apparent of Saher de Quincy, Earl of Winchester [Ref: Sanders Baronies p18(5)]

    original CP text stating "Earl of Winchester" deleted by corrections in XIV [Ref: CP V p700 (with corr in XIV p340)]

    possibly two separate Roberts: Robert II son of Robert I & Orable, d. <1232, m Hawise of Chester, and Robert IV son of Saher IV & Marguerite, d. Aug 1257, m Helen [Ref: ES III.4 #708]

    second son named Robert; first d.s.p. 1217 [Ref: Weis AR7 #236]

    (regarding the parentage of Robert de Quincy, husband of Hawise de Chester): As far as I know what happened was that Hawise's husband was originally understood to be a son of Earl Saher (as reflected by vol. 7 of Complete Peerage), but that Sidney Painter proposed instead that her husband was a brother of Earl Saher. This convinced the author of the article on Winchester which appeared in CP vol. 12, part 2.
    However, the question was reexamined by Doris Grace Roth, in an article entitled "Robert de Quincy, eldest son of the first Earl of Winchester" [The Genealogist, vol.5, pp.221-225 (1984)], who produced evidence that Hawise's husband was the son of Earl Saher after all. (The evidence had been in print since the 17th century.) http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/winchester.shtml
    If I remember correctly, there is no evidence that Earl Saher even had a brother named Robert.
    This version is accepted in the article by Richard D. Coram on Earl Saher in the new edition of the Dictionary of National Biography - just as it was in the original edition. Coram places Saher's marriage at about 1190. [Ref: Chris Phillips SGM 10/1/2005-132953]

    Fact 1: Rebelled against his father & was consequently deprived of his holdings.




    Father: Saher De Quincy b: Abt 1155
    Mother: Margaret (Fitzpernel) De Beaumont b: 1154 in Hampshire, England

    Marriage 1 Hawise Of Chester b: 1180 in Chester, Cheshire, England
    • Married: Bef 1221
    • Note:
      Sources for this Information:
      date: before 1221 [Ref: CP III p169(a)], names: [Ref: CP VII p676 (with corr in XIV p436), Redlich CharlemagneDesc p129, Sanders Baronies p33, Watney WALLOP #230, Weis AR7 #125], child: [Ref: CP III p169(a), Sanders Baronies p111(2), Sanders Baronies p138(3), Sanders Baronies p18, Wagner PedigreeProgress #48, Watney WALLOP #588, Watney WALLOP #821, Weis AR7 #54, Weis MC #107]
    • Change Date: 2 Sep 2011
    Children
    1. Has Children Margaret De Quincy b: Abt 1208
    2. Has No Children Mabel De Quincy
    3. Has No Children Roger De Quincy b: 1210 in Buckley, Northampton, England
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